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Big Muddy
02-24-2017, 03:02 PM
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Cremation was being discussed on one of my other hunting sites....some guy posted this writing from a pastor....initially, I had some second thoughts about being cremated, and my wife scattering my ashes over my big food plot and various places around the farm.

But, my own pastor confirmed that cremation is just fine, so I'm still going with it....just goes to show how differently the Bible can be interpreted.




---Cremation Vs. Burial for the Believer in Christ---
---by Reverend John Hamel---

"""Recently a long time friend and supporter of this Ministry asked JHM in writing, “What does the Bible say about cremation?” I answered that question in writing and thought it would be good to include that answer here. Please keep in mind I could not answer their question as thoroughly as the Bible does because of time and space limitations. I simply pointed them in the right direction as follows, encouraging them to study it out for themselves.

As you read JHM’s answer to the question of cremation, we trust it will lead you into further study as well. Suggestion: Put the word “buried” into your computer Bible search and see why the Bible on computer is such a wonderful thing that came straight out of the mind of Christ!
"What does the Bible say about cremation?"

Although the word "cremation" is not used in the Bible, the subject is clearly covered. Burning human bodies after death has always been an occult practice observed by many of the world’s false religions. It is gaining acceptance in America and other civilized nations basically for two reasons. Number one, because too many Christians have not bothered to find out what the Bible teaches about it. Number two, it is considered to be "economical," "sanitary" and "practical."

A search of the Scripture reveals that only people who were under a curse for one reason or another had their bodies burned at death. As a matter of fact, the Lord instructed King Josiah to slay all the priests who had ever burned dead bodies on the altar of God. (2Kings 23:16, 20) He then instructed King Josiah to burn those same priests’ bodies on their own altars because they were under a curse for burning other human bodies. Something to think about, isn’t it?

Elsewhere the sons of Belial came under a curse for their deliberate rebellion. Anyone who even touched them came under a curse as well and was to be killed on the same day and their body burned. (2Samuel 23:6-7)

Again, the ONLY time someone's body was burned in the Bible was when they were under a curse. Honorable people of God in the Bible were always buried upon death, not burned. Their bodies were placed back into the earth for safekeeping, the same earth from whence they came, until the Lord comes to resurrect those bodies for Eternal service to Him. (John 5:28-29)

In Scripture it was an insult to the Holy Spirit to burn a human body. This becomes very clear by reading the narrative involving King Josiah mentioned above. This is even truer in this New Testament Dispensation of Grace because the Believer’s body is "the temple of the Holy Spirit." We are to honor God with our bodies not only in life but also in death, not dishonor Him. (1Corinthians 6:19-20)

Just to list a few Biblical examples of burial: Able (Genesis 4:10), Abraham (Genesis 15:5), Sarah (Genesis 23:19), Isaac (Genesis 35:29), Rebecca and Leah (Genesis 49:31), Joseph (Genesis 50:13), Miriam (Numbers 20:1), Aaron (Deuteronomy 10:6), Gideon (Judges 8:32), Jehoshaphat (1Kings 22:50), Saul and his sons (1Chronicles 10:12), King Solomon (2Chronicles 9:31) and the Prophet Elisha (2Kings 13:20), etc.

By reading the Old Testament books of II Kings and I & II Chronicles, you will discover a chronicle of all Israel’s kings who died and were BURIED, not burned. All of Israel's kings were buried except for two. Those two were under a specific curse.

It was God's will that even the wicked be buried and not burned unless they were under a very specific curse. (Job 27:15; Ecclesiastes 8:10) Burning a human body was to deliberately point out the fact they were indeed under a specific curse for deliberately defying the Most High God, not because it was “economical,” “sanitary” or “practical.” In the Old Testament only the CURSED were instructed to NOT be buried. (Jeremiah 16:4, 6; 25:33)

For a human body to be placed back into the earth from whence it came is an honorable thing. (Genesis 2:7) For a human body to be burned is a dishonorable thing in the eyes of the God Who does not change. (Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8)

Under the New Covenant John the Baptist was buried. (Matthew 14:12) The Apostle Peter made it perfectly clear that King David was buried and not burned after his death. (Acts 2:29) Ananias and Sapphira were buried even though their deaths occurred as a result of their lying to God. (Acts 5:6, 9-10) Stephen was buried after his stoning. (Acts 8:2) Jesus Himself was buried not burned or cremated. (1Corinthians 15:4)

The Bible says we are BURIED with Christ in Baptism. It does not say we are “cremated” with Him in Baptism. (Romans 6:4) Going down into and coming up out of a watery grave symbolizes the Believer’s identification with Christ’s death, BURIAL and resurrection, not His death, cremation and scattering of ashes.

Although there is no single verse of Scripture that says Believers are not to be burned or “cremated,” we are to walk in the steps of the faith of Abraham our spiritual Father. (Romans 4:12) Abraham was buried, not cremated, and he left very specific instructions for all of his family to be buried. Jesus Himself followed Abraham’s example. (Matthew 27:57-60) Therefore, we must now follow their example. (Galatians 3:29)

So there you have the short answer. Short because there are just about one hundred Scriptural references to God's servants/family/sons/daughters being buried and never cremated. I believe that’s a pretty good precedent to follow. There are only a handful of examples of bodies being burned upon death and ONLY when those individuals were under a curse or involved in occult practices.

However, I always point out to people that we do not have two or three confirming New Testament Scriptures SPECIFICALLY telling us what to do in the matter of burial versus cremation, as we do with so many other things pertaining to life and conduct. Moses, Jesus and the Apostle Paul said we must have these witnesses before building a doctrine. (Deuteronomy 17:6; Matthew 18:16; 1Corinthians 13:1) However, we do have EXAMPLES to follow, from Able to Jesus and everyone in between. That, quite frankly, is good enough for me and should be good enough for anyone who wants to both know and to do the Bible thing.

So there you go. Hope this helped a little. Again, I point these things out to people when they ask about cremation and then I tell them they must follow their own conscience and the leading of the Holy Spirit from there. If they have cremated someone, wishing later they hadn't done so, I encourage them to just receive God's forgiveness and mercy and to know that He can and will even raise up ashes into a perfect human being when He returns. God knows where everyone's DNA is! (1John 1:9; John 5:28-29)

However, God’s mercy is no reason to go with cremation if your conscience or the Inner Witness of the Holy Spirit is telling you not to do so.""" JHM

Be blessed. Your friend … John


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BarryBobPosthole
02-24-2017, 03:48 PM
I saw this posted on FB. And I actually read it. Sounds like a frigging cult to me.

Isn't the predominant christian belief that the old testament laws were replaced with a brand new deal when Jesus came?

And do we seriously think that an omniscient god who created the entire universe is persnickety about how we dispose of our body when we're dead? Color me dubious.

BKB

Thumper
02-24-2017, 03:59 PM
Color me dubious. BKB

Dubious?? I'd say "deplorable". ;)

DeputyDog
02-24-2017, 04:00 PM
Cremation is ok in the Catholic Church but not the scattering of the ashes. The remains still need to interned not scattered of kept on the mantle


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Thumper
02-24-2017, 04:16 PM
I've chosen cremation myownfineself. I will have some remains interred in case family or loved one's would ever care to visit. (the military gives me a free box and hole in the ground) My SEAL buddy has promised to spread a few of my ashes around my favorite village in Thailand where, back in the early 70's, the village chief gave me the nickname "Thai Farang" .... (Thai Foreigner). If my buddy should go first, I've promised him I'd spread his in Vietnam (Danang). I'd also like a few of mine spread around my grandparent's old homestead in the mountains of Western North Carolina, a place I loved spending my summers growing up.

quercus alba
02-24-2017, 04:25 PM
I prefer cremation my self but my oldest son says no way. Said I'll be dead so I won't have any say so

BarryBobPosthole
02-24-2017, 04:34 PM
Neither of us are into visiting graves like our parent's generation does. My folks decorate graves and visit cemetaries all the time. I mainly walk around trying to find the oldest dates on the stones.

We'll both be cremated. I'd prefer to have mine used to fertilize a rose bush.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
02-24-2017, 04:45 PM
I know I'll be "gone", but nobody's embalming me.


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Big Muddy
02-24-2017, 05:17 PM
Yep, Phole, it's a whole new ballgame, with the ascension of Jesus and the New Testament.

The way I look at it is, if the Big Guy upstairs is mighty enough to spit on some dirt, wad it up in His hand, and create man, then He can dang sure re-assemble my sorry azz, if I decide to be cremated, and scattered around the farm. ;)

HideHunter
02-24-2017, 09:35 PM
50% of my ashes are to be loaded into shotgun shells... The other 50% mixed into catfish bait.. Totally serious here.

BarryBobPosthole
02-24-2017, 10:06 PM
Have 'em send me some and I'll mix you with some Wheaties and strawberry pop.

BKB

Captain
02-24-2017, 10:25 PM
We can put some of Posty's ashes in a jar of Apple Pie.
But something tells me his ashes would absorb the alcohol.... :D

BarryBobPosthole
02-24-2017, 11:05 PM
I'd prefer to be Wilderbarry.

BKB

LJ3
02-25-2017, 01:17 PM
I'll not rely on a book or anyone else's opinion. My kin know I'm to be cremated and put in a river. Now that I'm in my mid 50's I should prolly pick out a specific spot to avoid any confusion.

Grave sites don't make much sense to me but plenty of people favor them.

Thumper
02-26-2017, 12:01 AM
Grave sites don't make much sense to me but plenty of people favor them.

I'm with you Ticboy ... it seems like a terrible waste of good real estate to me.

LJ3
02-26-2017, 10:26 AM
And if "Posthole Rose" ain't a top ten band name I don't know what is!

I've also given some thought to picking a few of my favorite outdoor places to spread me around but I don't want to burden my family. I think my daughters would actually be in to it but the rest of them would prolly be cussing me under their breath :)

Plus I'd have to add a new farm in SC to the list and I couldn't even find the damn place with GPS and 17 u-turns. Lucia wouldn't stand a chance.