Constitutional Carry in Oklahoma

[BarryBobPosthole]

Our governor just signed a constitutional carry law which means anyone (except felons and so forth) can legally open or concealed carry with no permit, no training, no nuttin’.
It was passed but vetoed by our last governor after she heard from most of the county DA’s and several law enforcement folks in the state.
There is a lot of criime data out there now that really doesn’t show much of a difference in crime rates either way in states where its been the law for several years. So maybe the fears are over lown. I dunno. I’m no expert.
Carrying a firearm is a personal choice, IMO. So is swallowing a pain killer or smoking meth. Neither should be illegal. What should be more strictly enforced though, IMO, are the illegal actions that might result from those choices. The right to carry law, at least here, doesn’t make it legal to shoot anybody thatyou couldn’t shoot before.
More personal accountability, less nanny bullshit, That’s my own opinion, and it might be worth a nickel.
I feel much the sameabout DUI laws. I think they are mostly bullshit with very little real evidence that they reduce the number of impaireddrivers on the road. Especiallywhen its so strongly skewed towards alcohol. Its also bullshit when people don’t get sent to prisonwhen they kill or hurt or endanger people when they are driving drunk.

BKB

[quercus alba]

I agree with you with some reservations. I don’t like the idea of a wannabe Rambo behind me in the checkout lane at Wally’s anymore than I like Abdul with a scimitar behind me. And I do agree that we need less personal restriction and more responsibility but on the other hand, why should me the taxpayer have elevated insurance rates so some meth head can do his own thang.

I sat in the social security office for two hours watching all the crackheads and young people applying for benefits. Let’s start with personal responsibility right there. Whether you’re a believer or not, the Bible has it right in saying “if a man will not work neither shall he eat.”

Our system is seriously furbared and there’s no easy fix

[Chicken Dinner]

Open carry always has been legal here, but we got “shall issue” for concealed a few years back and the world didn’t come to an end. I don’t mind DUI being illegal, but open container laws have always bugged me. IMO, define what drunk is and I’ll take it from there. No need to criminalize a “traveler” as long as I’m under the legal limit.


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[Big Skyz]

Most of my life I have lived in open carry states. It's really not an issue. It's not like once the law changed everyone ran out and bought a gun just so they can open carry. Really doesn't work like that. I personally have never open carried even though I could have most of my life. Frankly I think open carry is stupid from a personal security standpoint. There is not shortage of video footage of someone openly carrying their firearm when a criminal runs up to them, and either attempts to, or successfully, disarms the person. In some cases the criminal manages to get the gun away and then shoot the victim with their own firearm. To me open carry just draws a lot of attention of which most of it is negative. I do have a CCW and when I'm armed or not, is my business, but neither you or anyone else knows for sure, and that is just the way I like it. :D

[BarryBobPosthole]

I agree with you with some reservations. I don’t like the idea of a wannabe Rambo behind me in the checkout lane at Wally’s anymore than I like Abdul with a scimitar behind me. And I do agree that we need less personal restriction and more responsibility but on the other hand, why should me the taxpayer have elevated insurance rates so some meth head can do his own thang.

I sat in the social security office for two hours watching all the crackheads and young people applying for benefits. Let’s start with personal responsibility right there. Whether you’re a believer or not, the Bible has it right in saying “if a man will not work neither shall he eat.”

Our system is seriously furbared and there’s no easy fix

Ever heard the old saw...”If you outlaw (blank), then only criminals will have (blank)”.
The same is true for drugs. Outlawing them does nothing but make criminals out of addicts who are otherwise law abiding citizens.

BKB

[quercus alba]

Posty, I don't necessarily want to outlaw them, just put them in Newgate until they pay their hospital bills when they crash

[BarryBobPosthole]

Ah, like back in the good old days.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

Ever heard the old saw...”If you outlaw (blank), then only criminals will have (blank)”.
The same is true for drugs. Outlawing them does nothing but make criminals out of addicts who are otherwise law abiding citizens.

BKB

The problem with that theory is not not many addicts are “otherwise law abiding citizens”. Most of them end up losing their jobs and resorting to some form of criminal behavior to feed their addiction.

I had a very good friend who was injured in a motorcycle accident. He ended up hooked on the pain pills, he had a great sales job pulling in a six figure income. Ended up losing his job because the addiction interfered with his job performance. Then he got mixed up with some unsavory types in order to obtain his pills, traded a gun for pills and that gun was used in a homicide. He lied about the gun being stolen (perjury in a murder case) went to jail. Spiral continued down and he ended up a heroin addict. Stole to support his habit because he couldn’t keep a job, and went back to jail.

I will be the first to admit that there needs to be alternatives to incarceration because it doesn’t do a damn thing to solve the problem of addiction, but there has to be some repercussions.


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[Arty]

Open carry is fine with me. I’d never ever ever do it, but to each his own.
I don’t think the law will change the number people that are already walking around with a CCW, just waiting to pop somebody.
And there are plenty of those folks... who went through the class or training or background to obtain their permit.

I’ve had my CCW for 8 years. And while I won’t say how or when I carry, there’s a 99% chance if you have ever been around me, I am. But with that said, I have never, EVER, felt the urge to get ready to whip it out.
That cannot be said for a lot of people that carry. I talk to different folks and when we talk about having a concealed permit, the first words out of their mouth is, “I have one too. Let me tell you about time I nearly stuck it in someone’s face.”
I do not think they put themselves in different everyday life scenarios than I do. I DO believe that a lot of them carry, for the sole purpose of looking for a reason to use it.
Prove me wrong

[BarryBobPosthole]

We don’t disagree Deputy! I believe we are both saying the penalty for addiction should be treatment. The penalty for criminal acts to feed that addiction are still a crime and should be punished. Sorry about your friend. Its one of those stories you hear about all the time unfortunately.

BKB

[Thumper]

You double-talkin' son of a gun, you. ;)

[LJ3]

Va's been open carry forever. I've seen less than 5 people doing it since I can remember. 6 including me when I carry a .44 for hunting in a shoulder holster.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Its not the open carry I worry about, Len. Its the weapon in the center console that will get us in trouble.

Speaking of whch, I need a good concealed carry weapon. Been needing one for years. Now
i have an excuse since i don’t have to go get a govt permit.

BkB

[quercus alba]

10543

Here ya go

[Chicken Dinner]

Better yet...

https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/59572-DEFAULT-l.jpg


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[BarryBobPosthole]

No, I can’t afford a single purpose gun. I need somethng I can throw in my tackle box for Mr No Toes or carry in my center consoole. I think a Taurus Judge will do the trick nicely. Been wanting one for years.
I have a Browning pump scatter gun for home protection.
Like somebody said though, the chances of me gettingto it in time to use it is probably low. I’ll take the risk though!

BKB

[Thumper]

I should probably think of a new carry weapon also. For years, I carried a .45 (Colt Defender) but it was a bit bulky at times, especially here in Florida where my year-round attire is generally shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops. I like my little PPK .380 as a "pocket gun", but I think it's a bit heavy for it's size. I really should check into some of the ultra-lights available these days, but it's low on my priority list.

As for the open carry thing, I personally don't care for it all that much, but to each his own I suppose. Basically, my thoughts on the issue run 100% parallel with what Big Sky posted. I do remember one post years back when Bubbles and Hard Rock had gone to the range with a group of their buddies to do some shooting. Afterwards, they all decided to go to a restaurant for lunch and all walked in the place carrying "open". "To me" ... it's just a little bit too "in your face" for my likes and the post made it sound like their intention was to draw some "looks". It kind'a rubbed me the wrong way, but maybe that's just me.

[DeputyDog]

My go to conceal carry right now is my Glock 43. It’s a 9mm and really small. A lot lighter than the .380 PPK I have but really similar in size.

https://us.glock.com/products/G43

I agree on the open carry. It seems to me that a lot of the people who do it, do so in order to make a point. To me, if you are someplace where a bad guy comes in armed, you will be the first target.


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[Chicken Dinner]

I was only kidding about the AR pistol. I’m actually thinking about picking up Breda Thunder in .380. It’s a Walther knockoff. It’s cheap and reliable and a certain retired lawdog I know recommended it to me.


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[LJ3]

I do remember one post years back when Bubbles and Hard Rock had gone to the range with a group of their buddies to do some shooting. Afterwards, they all decided to go to a restaurant for lunch and all walked in the place carrying "open". "To me" ... it's just a little bit too "in your face" for my likes and the post made it sound like their intention was to draw some "looks". It kind'a rubbed me the wrong way, but maybe that's just me.

They used to do it all the time. They're the kind of people who think they help gun owners but actually push otherwise open minded people in the opposite direction. You could boil it down to being stupid without too much trubble. Being so intense on a single issue gets you escorted to the fringe pretty quickly.

[BarryBobPosthole]

When I met up with you and Bubbles in DC, I think it was the first time I met a GHer. I think Julie and I took the Metro to meet up.

BKB

[Thumper]

I met up with Len, Carnivore, Bubbles and Chessie while there. Got's a Thump story about the night Chessie, Len and I met up at a Thai restaurant for dinner ... but I ain't gots time right now.

I spent quite a bit of time running around with Bubbles (I think I was there for a couple of weeks ... can't remember persactly). Spent quite a bit of time at her place and even went out to feed her horse a couple'a times. (what was her horse's name?) She had just purchased a military surplus deuce and a half to bomb around town in. She likes making "statements"! ;)

Went to a gun show with Carni ... THAT was an experience! :hair

Most of us hooked up a few times for copious amounts of alcohol if I remember correctly.

Went to the NRA headquarters and their museum ... also their indoor gun range ... but can't remember who was there with me. Bubbles and Carni possibly? I had a meeting with one of the bigwigs there and filed a formal (verbal) complaint that I have cancelled my NRA membership numerous times due to the mountains of junk mail they send me. I told them how stupid it was for me to donate $25 to "the cause", then they turn around and spend $250 on sending 600-lbs. of junk mail asking for more money! They promised I'd be put on a "no mail" list if I wanted to re-join. I did, and very little (but some) junk mail rolled in, but MUCH less than normal. BUT ... it slowly built back up to the normal tidal wave of mail, so I dropped 'em like a hot rock and never went back. Their no-mail list is about as effective as that worthless "no-call" list I sign up for.

[Trav]

I carry a S&W Sheild 9mm, I have a Kimber Pro Carry II but it’s really to big to conceal unless I am wearing a coat. Seeing people open carry doesn’t bother me but I wouldn’t do it.