How ironic ...

[Thumper]

Those "GREEN" wind turbines in Texas have frozen up and now people are freezing to death due to power outages. Maybe we need to open that pipeline back up and burn some of those nasty old hydrocarbons to help kick off some of that good ol' global warming to thaw things out a bit. My BIL in Houston has solar panels for hot water, but they're covered in a thick sheet of ice and are worthless. Luckily, he has three GAS driven generators running his house right now. He let the neighbor run an extension cord over his fence to charge his electric car. :stirthepot

[quercus alba]

clueless Joe will pass along another executive order outlawing cold weather to take care of that

[Chicken Dinner]

Maybe if Texas didn’t insist on having their own power grid, this wouldn’t be an issue! [emoji12]


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[BarryBobPosthole]

Why CD, you know they never have winter where those wind farms are in the Texas panhandle! Nor in western Oklahma, Kansas, Colorado, Or the Dakotas. (that’s the grid we’re on and gettingblackouts too.

BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

Here’s the reason they’re having rolling power outages across Texas. Of course, if you’d like to continue getting your info from TuckerCarlson amd Fox Business, then go right ahead.
But here’s what the Texicans are saying ,including the governor.

Funny, but its never ‘ironic’ when hurricanes hit Florida is it?

BKB

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/texas/dallas-texas-electrical-power-outage-ercot-failures/287-50797307-0afe-43eb-8175-b78e7e4fc13a

[johnboy]

You can put as much lipstick on them as you want but wind turbines and solar panels are still pigs. Net loss systems. The energy (fossil fuels) and material resources that go into the manufacture and use of these technologies will never be replaced during their life cycle. 'Green' energy is a lie. Expensive, unreliable and impossible to recycle. We been took.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Okay! That’s fine. But these rolling outages have zero to do with ‘green’ energy. They’ve been happening in
texas long before wind power was a thing.

BKB

[Thumper]

Funny, but its never ‘ironic’ when hurricanes hit Florida is it? BKB

When it comes to hurricanes hitting Florida ... it usually means catching the foreskin around Miami and the Keys on it's way to Texas or Louisiana. Otherwise they just skip their way up into the Carolinas. ;)

Ummm, notice my shit-disturbing emoji at the end of my post. It was 100% guaranteed to drag you out swinging ... you old curmudgeon. You're getting to be way too easy in your old age. :lmao

[johnboy]

I think we all need to rethink wind and solar. Best quote I saw today - "Windmills, a 14th century solution to a 21st century non-problem". Sums it up for me.

[Chicken Dinner]

Any conversation about the future of energy needs to include nuclear. But, that’s an inconvenient truth.


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[johnboy]

Absolutely. There are safe, efficient nuclear reactors already in use - CANDU. Check it out.

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/CANDU_reactor

[Penguin]

Interesting.... They need to get a handle on this. A certain phrase that starts with 3rd and ends with world comes to mind.

We lose power a lot due to trees knocking out power lines but as long as the Husky stays healthy we won't freeze to death. :)

Will

[Bwana]

Ironic that they are trying to close ND's coal mines because they are not environmentally friendly, yet WE are having rolling blackouts today so they can move OUR nasty power down south as the green power is inoperable.

[quercus alba]

Any conversation about the future of energy needs to include nuclear. But, that’s an inconvenient truth.


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Thank you Hank. I propose that we appoint you as Sec of Energy with veto power over any foolishness Clueless Joe attempts

[Thumper]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Heck, nuclear destroyers and submarines are good enough for our Navy, I'll take my chances with a power plant ... or 50. (just make sure they put 'em all in Oklahoma) ;)

[Chicken Dinner]

Interesting read here about Texas and the power grid they’re so proud of.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-power-outage-winter-energy-pride-c260c340f619688dd511cc6645b40a04?utm_source=facebo ok&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=curated


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[BarryBobPosthole]

I remember when we had an ice storm in SE Oklahoma and my parents were without power for almost a month and a week or so of that they had no water. Mother Nature can be hard on power grids. My Mom detests the smell of candles to this day. And she grew up in the day when kerosene lamps were still pretty common.

We’re setting records for low tempse ery day and not just by a degree or two, but by FIFTEEN degrees. Its a catastrophic storm for places where they don’t get this type of winter weather. Do you pay the big bucks to harden the system for 500 year events? I don’t know.
I just know it’s colder’n a well digger’s butt!

BKB

[Thumper]

If it’s anything like hurricanes, don’t expect to walk into your local Home Depot and find a generator available.

[Chicken Dinner]

Although this may be the most severe example, this isn’t unprecedented in Texas. It’s actually the third time in 10 years their self-managed grid has failed.


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[Chicken Dinner]

From another article I saw:

“The weather has resulted in a 30-gigawatt energy shortage — equivalent to 30 big power plants going offline, according to Daniel Kammen, a professor of energy at UC Berkeley. Twenty-six of those lost gigawatts are from gas shortages, and 4 are from lost wind power due to frozen windmills.”

But, let’s keep blaming green energy.


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[Chicken Dinner]

Another failure by Texas:

“It's also worth*poinitng out*that a lot of chillier places have wind turbines that don't buckle in the cold — hello, Iowa; hej hej, Denmark — they just need to be winterized, a step experts said Texas has skipped.*“

Heads need to roll down there over this sort of incompetence![emoji48]


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[Thumper]

You and P-hole .... always gots ta' throw sand in the Vaseline!

[Chicken Dinner]

Are you supposed to be the only shit disturber around here?


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[Thumper]

How 'bout Senior SD'er?

[BarryBobPosthole]

Bwana and I are in the same power pool, believe it or not. What we’ve seen in Okla are some one and two hour outages here and there but nothing on a huge scale. We haven’thad one at my house for example but some friends across town had a one hour outage yesterday. This morning they say we’ve dropped back to a level where they won’t be necessary today it looks like. Hopefully Nodak is in the same shape today!

BKB

[Bwana]

Sure are Posty.

[Thumper]

Bwana and I are in the same power pool, believe it or not. BKB

And you have even more in common. You BOTH need Bwana’s sister to post pics for you. :)

[BarryBobPosthole]

Now if you want to talk irony....

"California is now unable to perform even basic functions of civilization, like having reliable electricity.” "Biden/Harris/AOC want to make CA's failed energy policy the standard nationwide. Hope you don't like air conditioning!"

~Ted Cruz on California’s rolling blackouts in 2020

Hope you don’t like heat, Ted!

BKB

[DeputyDog]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210220/5b635648fe85d8e0c16ebd39e9e5a1ac.jpg


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[Thumper]

With fake news, real news, factual news, fudged news, whatever news is out there these days, I never know what to believe anymore. I read an article this morning that said the lost energy from frozen wind farms in Texas was 30% of the power grid. About an hour after reading that, I saw an interview on tv news that stated the loss was 6%. WTF?

[DeputyDog]

We will know what they want us to know and believe what they want us to believe.


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[johnboy]

I know what I believe - a civilization such as ours cannot run on 'renewable' energy. Just not possible. All 'renewable' energy sources must be backed up with traditional generating capability which adds complexity and uncertainty to an electric grid. Dump wind and solar unless it's meant to power your off grid cabin or charge the batteries in your rv while boondocking and add more (properly maintained) coal, gas or nukes.

[Chicken Dinner]

I agree with you to a point, John. Current green technology certainly cannot replace fossil fuels and nuclear and provide all our energy needs. But, that doesn’t mean there isn’t a place for it along with the traditional options.


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[johnboy]

Sure it has uses but not commercial power generation. It's expensive, unreliable, destructive to the environment and always a net loss. Why would we use these technologies when we don't have to? Remember that the renewables push is only because the climate meanies think co2 will destroy the world in (add some number here) years. If it weren't for that, why would we use technology that is inferior to what we are replacing? A few people are getting richer but the rest of us been scammed.

[airbud7]

all of the available evidence suggests that if Texas had never relied on wind energy in the first place, then this crisis would have been significantly minimized or even avoided altogether.

[BarryBobPosthole]

lol which evidence is that one, AB?

BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

lol which evidence is that one, AB?

BKB

[Arty]

I don't think the fact that TX uses some wind/solar has anything to do with the blackouts. The Gov himself said that natural gas and oil also were frozen. Barry's article said that too.

I'm for more Nuke plants. LOW emissions. SAFE. CHEAPER THAN GREEN. Smaller footprint than these damn solar farms I pass on the way to the Outer Bank of NC.

[airbud7]

lol which evidence is that one, AB?

BKB

reliance = to rely on something

the wind turbines failed to generate power and people froze to death.

[BarryBobPosthole]

The future for nuclear IMO is small nuclear reactors in the 300 mw range that. Nuclear will play a big part in getting away from fossil fuels. its a short term fix though.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

The problem is that nuclear energy isn’t seen as green. I have a hard time seeing the green energy people going for more nukes over wind and solar.

Like Arty pointed out, solar takes up a LOT of space. Wind turbines are similar, plus you have that whole “turbines kill a lot of birds” thing. Plus what happens when the turbines are at the end of their life span? As of now, it’s too expensive and complicated to recycle the blades.
[URL]https://www.intelligentliving.co/what-happens-to-old-wind-turbines-the-answers-not-so-eco-friendly/[URL]

Plus it takes a bajillion escort vehicles to transport each blade down the road.


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[BarryBobPosthole]

How clean is Fukishima or Chernobyl or Three Mile Island or anyof the other many nuclear accidents? Plus nukes are a terrorist target because of the potential collateral from radiation. There is legitimate concern that commercial nuclear operations might cut the same corners that the operators down in Texas did with their power grid.
I believe those concerns can be addressed, but arguing that denial is a valid course to pursue is just bullshit. If you don’t believe me go try to get a permit for one.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

I always thought it was ironic that Japan was one of the largest users of nuclear energy.

Maybe we should just dam up every river and go all hydroelectric.

By the way, I’ve driven by TMI dozens of times. I’ve got family that lives about thirty miles from there. The 30 year study of cancer rates in that area shows no statistical anomalies.

There are risks and dangers with all of them. Just like with everything else, they need to be measured against the benefits.

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[BarryBobPosthole]

I don’t disagree DD, but that doesn’t mean public sentiment is going to allow a big expansion of nuclear until there’s some demonstrable upgrades in how we do it and hpw safely. Power production is like computer automation was in the 80’s, very centralized. The model that will be most reliable and self healing is a distributed model just like networks of about any kind. That way the network also becomes storage too.

BKB

[Penguin]

I always thought it was ironic that Japan was one of the largest users of nuclear energy....

They have to keep that on hand in case it's needed to juice Godzilla. Radiation to Gojirra is like spinach to Popeye. :)

Will