Covid Vaccinations

[BarryBobPosthole]

Covid is going crazy here in Oklahoma. ICUs are getting fuller every day and hospital staff that carre for covid patients are battle weary and there are now shortages of personnel. Peopple in ICUs are begging to be given the vaccine even as they are being intubated. There was a story on the news last night from a doctor saying he was being cussed out as he was intubating someone who claimed they, the hospital, were getting paid a bunch of money for every covid patient.
And in spite of prertty clear data about covid, people say ‘the messaging on masks isn’t consistent’ so they don’t use the common sense that they claim they have to make that independent decision.

I understand vaccine reluctance. I got a BAD case of the flu in the 70’s from a flu vaccine I got in the Air Force. Of course in those days, the military was the CDC testing ground for vaccines before they went public. But mistrust is acceptable, its warranted, and its probably even healthy to an extent. But if you haven’t got a shot yet, don’t blame government mistrust. Its all around you. Its like fucking smallpox. The odds of serious disease, infection, and long term problems aren’t the same as they were when this started.

And get this, becuse I’m vaccinated I have a less than 1% chance of a breakthrough infection and even less than that for serious illness. And yet I’m being asked to wear a mask in public to protect the unvaccinated.

Sorry, but this is getting old. Its time to ‘carry the stragglers and shoot the survivors’. Not literally shoot, but its time to leave them behind. If you don’t want a shot, fine by me. I’m done though with the bullshit. Your call, your consequence. Its still stupid.

End of rant.

BKB

[Chicken Dinner]

I say it’s time for Leper colonies for the unvaxxed so the rest of us can get back to normal.[emoji48]


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[BarryBobPosthole]

Just wait till the chips all get turned on and we can all cut the cable cord!

BKB

[Thumper]

I was reluctant at first, as I didn’t want to be a guinea pig with a vaccine rushed past the usual tests. But that feeling was short lived as this crap took off. It wasn’t long before Lynn and I were both vaccinated the minute we became eligible. (Me Pfizer, her Moderna) Weeks ago we camped with some VERY close friends who have their (grown) kids and grand kids together for home get togethers, dinners, cookouts and pool parties, not to mention packing themselves and a couple of the grandkids, into a camper for a weekend or two per month. They (and the whole extended family) are totally against being vaccinated. We were pretty shocked actually, as these are educated, financially secure friends of ours. I will add (whether it’s relevant or not), if you ever go to their (very nice) house, you’d swear they plugged their tv in, tuned into FOX News, then threw away the remote.

That said, I’m with you. I’m being inconvenienced by being forced to go out of my way to protect those who chose not to be vaccinated. I was sitting here in the motorhome watching the local news as Lynn was preparing breakfast a little earlier this morning and there was a dude in ICU, lying in bed with tubes up his nose, while his young son peered at him through a glass partition. The dad was telling people to NOT do as he did, but to get vaccinated. TBH, I see and hear the same exact shit almost daily on the news, from someone, unvaccinated, who ended up in ICU with Covid. They all have the same message. Sorry a-holes, you’re trying to close the barn door AFTER the horses escaped!

There’s a spike in cases in Florida right now and I believe I heard we now have the highest Covid rate in the country and the hospitals are packed to the max. I also heard our county has the highest (or one of the highest?) rates in the state. I’m losing patience with the jerk-offs who refuse to get vaccinated so that I have to be inconvenienced because of their selfishness. God forbid I end up having a medical emergency and needing a bed in the UCU ward that has no openings due to Covid patients. Sorry if I stepped on any toes here, but enough is enough.

[quercus alba]

We've been fed so much misinformation about this from the get-go that I don't know what to believe. I don't know if the Covid shot prevents, minimizes or does nothing at all. I don't know if Black Mamba antivenom works either but if I'm in snake country in Africa you can bet your sweet patootie that I'm going to have some nearby. If you don't and you get bit well...................

[Hombre]

We have been fed a lot of misinformation but we just need to have faith that our government would never intentionally mislead us, and always has our best interest as the northern star of their collective decision making.

[BarryBobPosthole]

We've been fed so much misinformation about this from the get-go that I don't know what to believe. I don't know if the Covid shot prevents, minimizes or does nothing at all. I don't know if Black Mamba antivenom works either but if I'm in snake country in Africa you can bet your sweet patootie that I'm going to have some nearby. If you don't and you get bit well...................


I’m going to have to call bullshit here, QA. I know for a fact that you are a very smart man who thinks about stuff more than the average bear. To claim you’re afraid of making the wrong decision because you don’t know who to believe also doesn’t hold water. Its an important decision, and you’ve decided based on a lot of thought and you’ve likely checked it all out. What that decision is, is your business. But don’t blow smoke up my skirt that you’ve been so misinformed you’re bewildered.

And bite me Boh. The same goes for you. Kathryn thinks for the both of you so you don’t have to.

BKB

[quercus alba]

If I was very smart then I would have made my point more clear. I was actually trying to say that even tho I don't know for sure if the Covid shot does what it supposed to do or if an antivenom does what it's supposed to, I'm going to err on the side of caution with a little preventative maintenance and get my shot or keep my snake kit handy, whichever is prudent at the moment

[BarryBobPosthole]

If I was very smart then I would have made my point more clear. I was actually trying to say that even tho I don't know for sure if the Covid shot does what it supposed to do or if an antivenom does what it's supposed to, I'm going to err on the side of caution with a little preventative maintenance and get my shot or keep my snake kit handy, whichever is prudent at the moment

I’m glad you cleared that up! I totally misread that.

bKB

[Thumper]

I don't know this dude personally, as he's actually a friend of a friend and she took it from his page, then posted it on her own Facebook page to spread the word. (did you follow that?) It fits right in to this thread, so I stole it.

Anyway, this is from a friend of a friend.

I just wanted you all to know that all your prayers and thoughts for my brother were answered and he finally got discharged from the hospital to do the rest of his recovery from the COVID virus at home. He still has a way to go to completely get back to his healthy self but he will eventually get there. One thing that I have learned was that it is important to get yourself vaccinated if you all have not done so. It gives you a layer of protection against the COVID virus especially the Delta variant that is now out there. If you think for a second that the vaccine does not work you better think again because I see it first hand and the majority of people that are very sick and fighting for their lives on ventilators are fighting for their lives! Yes, you can still catch the virus even though you are vaccinated but at least you will have a fighting chance and have possibly mild symptoms but ultimately you might not get hospitalized and not have a breathing tube down your throat to help you breathe. My brother was very fortunate he did not get worse and I had many coworkers and doctors that I knew to watch over him and his care and by the grace of God he turned around and is on a road to recovery. He was not vaccinated at the time he got the virus but in my mind if he was I believe that he could have avoided being hospitalized and he would have not been as bad as he was when that virus hit him like a train and he was struggling to breath and oxygenate his own body. So I say this my friends, go get vaccinated if you all have not done so. It’s a whole different story when your own family gets this terrible virus and you have to watch them suffer to just breathe!!! Thank you again for all your prayers and thoughts and stay safe and protect yourself and the ones you love!!!!

[BarryBobPosthole]

Lots of sobering stories like that. I worry for people who work in it. One of my neices is a travel nurse and had a lot of cardiac ICU experience prior to covid. So she worked in covid hotspots ICUs in Aurora, Co, Seattle, and Raleigh NC. She’s on an assignment in Charleston, SC right now and is in a non-covid little boutique hospital. When I saw her this summer she was suffering horribly from PTSD from her work. She said she’d get around to getting some help. Its hard to watch. Hell it was hard to look at the mask acne on her face. And people said it was fucking fake.
It makes me angry. Lies are bad, bad things.
BKB

[quercus alba]

I understand that the Covid vaccine doesn't have the years of research and testing behind it that most vaccines do but your kids have to be vaccinated to get in school, if you go overseas then you have to get a whole bevy of shots/boosters and that doesn't seem to be a big problem for most people so why such a resistance to a covid shot? Although it's not widely publicized, the flu shot is only about 48.5% effective. Roughly 162 million Americans get flu shots each year and about 2.5 million have an adverse reaction of some sort to the shot (where's the outrage here). I would dare say that Covid is considerably lower than that yet people are willing to jeopardize their lives and health as well as family, friends and strangers by refusing to be vaccinated. You're more likely to die from eating peanuts than a Covid shot

Maybe I'm turning into a socialist but I have no problem with:
1) Vaccination as a term of employment
2) Right of refusal for insurance company's to have to pay for non vaccinated Covid treatment.
3) being carded for public events
4) mask mandate for non vaxxers
5) refusal of service unless you wear a mask or produce your card

[airbud7]

Maybe I'm turning into a socialist but I have no problem with:
1) Vaccination as a term of employment
2) Right of refusal for insurance company's to have to pay for non vaccinated Covid treatment.
3) being carded for public events
4) mask mandate for non vaxxers
5) refusal of service unless you wear a mask or produce your card

Yea!.....let's put a mark on everyone's forehead!....Fuck that!

how about you just stay home in your basement.

[quercus alba]

I don't have to, I've had my shots. And wear a mask in public

[Thumper]

Yea!.....let's put a mark on everyone's forehead!....Fuck that!

how about you just stay home in your basement.

I'm with you Q/A, and agree with all 5 on your list.

Sorry A/B, I'd say, for the safety of the general public, who are smart enough to be a part of trying to stop the spread of this shit, the UNVACCINATED should be the one's required to "stay at home in their basement" so that those of us who show a modicum of responsibility can lead as normal a life as possible under the circumstances. I've been witnessing what is, IMHO, a lot of ignorance from individuals I'd always considered intelligent and responsible up until now.

I just received word today that my old friend and hunting partner of 32 years passed away yesterday. His obit hasn't hit the paper yet, but after talking with friends and family, Covid is suspected. I haven't had that verified, but what I DO know is he was a staunch Republican, praised the ground Trump walked on and his TV was permanently tuned to FOX News, so I'm not having a hard time believing it. Again, it's simply rumor right now and I find it hard to believe he wasn't vaccinated as his wife is a nurse and he's been tied to an oxygen tank lately.

Wanna hear something sad, but possibly eye-opening? His family was very close and all lived in the same small town 30 minutes from here. They were HUGE into weekend get-togethers and Sunday dinners. His brother passed away in January and his son passed away in April. (his son was 7 years younger than me) I don't know if there's a connection, but the rumors are flying right now.

Here's a pic of he and his son just last year (and a couple of his grandkids). Do either of them look like they're on their death beds?

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[BarryBobPosthole]

Yea!.....let's put a mark on everyone's forehead!....Fuck that!

how about you just stay home in your basement.

Think of it this way AB, you have to have liability insurance and carry around proof that you do in order to be able to drive. When your insurance lapses here in OK, they notify the DMV and they suspend your license. You know why that is? So you don’t get on the highway and make a mistake and ruin someone’s life with medical bills if you cause an accident. You at least have to have coverage to help them recover lost property too.
I see no difference in requiring proof of a vaccine that prevents you from infectin people and either killing them or sadliing them with hospital bills they can never afford to pay. If you decide you don’t want to get one, then fine, company’s can require one for you to work. Restaurants, theaters, bars, and the like can require it to provide service.

BKB

[Thumper]

Well shit! I just talked with my buddy's wife to find out what the funeral arrangements are and she informed me my buddies OTHER son is also in the hospital on a respirator and isn't expected to live! NOBODY is saying the "Covid word", but I think the handwriting is on the wall. This is my bud's youngest son and is just in his 40's. It appears to me this shit is wiping out his whole family, but nobody's admitting to it. I'm sure I'll get the straight skinny sooner or later. This is sad.

[johnboy]

Two words - fear and trust. Too much of the first and none of the other. We are at a crossroads so choose your path and good luck. I'm going away for awhile so hope you all stay well.

[airbud7]

Think of it this way AB, you have to have liability insurance and carry around proof that you do in order to be able to drive. When your insurance lapses here in OK, they notify the DMV and they suspend your license. You know why that is? So you don’t get on the highway and make a mistake and ruin someone’s life with medical bills if you cause an accident. You at least have to have coverage to help them recover lost property too.
I see no difference in requiring proof of a vaccine that prevents you from infectin people and either killing them or sadliing them with hospital bills they can never afford to pay. If you decide you don’t want to get one, then fine, company’s can require one for you to work. Restaurants, theaters, bars, and the like can require it to provide service.

BKB

So the vaccine actually works and you can't get covid or spread it?...Not what I heard Buddy!...

That insurance statement is a bad analogy....either I have insurance on my car or I don't...

the vaccine does not cover you like liability insurance....now get your vaccine and put on your mask...

Love y'all

[airbud7]

Two words - fear and trust. Too much of the first and none of the other. We are at a crossroads so choose your path and good luck. I'm going away for awhile so hope you all stay well.

This is how I feel^......have fun johnboy!....

[Thumper]

Speaking of insurance, there's one thing that has always stuck in my craw. I have auto insurance on three vehicles and it gripes my ass whenever I see the monthly payments I have to make for "Uninsured Motorist" coverage. Although it's illegal to operate a motor vehicle without insurance, some choose to do so anyway. I abide by the law and pay for coverage, but am forced to pay extra to protect myself from the worthless, frigging idiots who choose to drive without insurance. What's wrong with that picture? Does anyone besides me see the connection I'm trying to make here?

I'm with P-hole. Although I know for a fact it will never happen in this country, if I were the god of all hospitals and an UNVACCINATED jerk-off came knocking on my ER door with Covid, I'd send their happy asses home to fend for themselves. But that's just me .... and I'm a dick sometimes.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Sorry AB, I didn’t mean to imply that you can be vaccinated and not have a breakthrough case. They happen about 1% of the time in vaccinated people and those people can spread it.

But the people in ICU aren’t vaccinated ones. The people dying aren’t vaccinated ones.

BKB

[airbud7]

Sorry AB, I didn’t mean to imply that you can be vaccinated and not have a breakthrough case. They happen about 1% of the time in vaccinated people and those people can spread it.

But the people in ICU aren’t vaccinated ones. The people dying aren’t vaccinated ones.

BKB

I'm listening brother and learning at the same time....when I'm outnumbered here with y'all great fellers maybe I should go look in the mirror.

Love y'all

[BarryBobPosthole]

Good advice for all of us, AB!

BKB

[airbud7]

Good advice for all of us, AB!

BKB

Looking at the Moderna vaccine now....I heard it was better for the Delta thing?....any advice is accepted.

Thanks Barry.

[BarryBobPosthole]

I couldn’t tell you, AB. I took trhe Moderna but only because that’s what they were givinig at the time.

BKB

[quercus alba]

My wife and I both took Moderna and neither of had us any side effects, not even a sore arm. Studies have shown that Moderna and Pfizer are about the same as far as effectiveness against covid and both of them exceed Johnson and Johnson by a slight margin.

[airbud7]

well one thing's for sure, I don't think I'll have a problem finding the shot around here!

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Thanks Fellers!

[BarryBobPosthole]

Get the jab, buddy! If you do, I’ll Venmo you the money to buy you a beer.
BKb

[BarryBobPosthole]

Get the jab, buddy! If you do, I’ll Venmo you the money to buy you a beer.
BKb

In fact, if any of you Goodhunters aren’tstuck yet and decide to, I’ll buy you a beer too!
BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

Get the jab, buddy! If you do, I’ll Venmo you the money to buy you a beer.
BKb

In fact, if any of you Goodhunters aren’tstuck yet and decide to, I’ll buy you a beer too!
BKB

[Thumper]

Double post? Does that mean you'll buy two beers? ;)

[quercus alba]

you have to get stuck twice so it's obviously a yes

[Hombre]

I want mine personally delivered

[BarryBobPosthole]

Thereyou go using that rough talk again, Hombre.

BKB

[airbud7]

https://i.imgflip.com/4szd4n.jpg

[BarryBobPosthole]

Did you do it?

BKB