Pay attention

[Arty]

Your president is on TV

[Chicken Dinner]

Seems like we already know what he's going to say.

[Buckrub]

And here I thought Charlton Heston was dead.

[Captain]

You mean the King in chief....

[Arty]

I will say that we can't deport 5 million illegals. That's like more than, well... A lot.

I say give'em all a gun, and let them guard our schools! :)

[Buckrub]

In all seriousness, I don't understand this from any angle.

Were we GOING to deport them anyway? Before this?? I'd say no, but I'm no expert on this stuff.

And what about all those illegal Chinese? Are they included in this protection?

[Arty]

In all seriousness, I don't understand this from any angle. Were we GOING to deport them anyway? Before this?? I'd say no, but I'm no expert on this stuff. And what about all those illegal Chinese? Are they included in this protection?

That was my thought exactly Bucky.
Tonight's action almost seemed like a "come forward and we will make it OK"... So this can sound and feel like a win.
WE weren't doing shit about this anyway!!!!

I also don't believe that "your chances go up" if you are a criminal.

WHAT CHANGED?!?

nothin.

And I'm not blaming Obama. Bush talked about immigration and not a damn thing was done.


I guess I just don't get it. We have bigger things to worry about than people who have been here illegally for 5 years already.

Almost seems like a smokescreen.
But he'd NEVER do that... :(

[Buckrub]

I think the man is way smarter than we give him credit for. By doing this..........or any other thing that will totally drive the GOP crazy, but for which they can do absolutely nothing to stop it, without shooting themselves in the foot.......it's like he's laughing at them.

I don't know if he cares about this one issue, or if he thinks this is truly a good thing to do, or not. Maybe he does. I don't know. But I do know that whether the consequences were intended, lateral, or serendipity, that he's slapped the GOP across the face and is smirking at the red spot it left.

[Thumper]

And the survey says ...........


4005

[Arty]

Agree.

Repubs are already talking about him saying "mass deportation would be impossible and contrary to our character"..... They are likening it to him saying "Yes. I'm a Muslim".

But all in all... He's 100% correct in that statement. At least the first part.
How the heck would we deport 5 million illegals?!?!
And if we could... Would it make sense on a logistical / fiscal standpoint? Don't we have better things to do? Like stop giving out cellphones and foodstamps to people who CAN work but chose not too? Or kill some ISIS bastards or something?

All that being said..... I don't think ANY substantial number of illegals are currently thinking about stepping up and getting "straight with the law" after his speech tonight. I'd venture to say it's less than 10. But I might be off by 1 or 2.

[Captain]

You give him WAY too much credit Bucky. He is the idiot in chief and the only worlds I would turn my TV on to hear him say is that he is resigning!

[Arty]

And the survey says ........... <img src="http://www.goodhunting.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=4005"/>

Stole it!

[BarryBobPosthole]

I was wrong obviously about how damaging a shutdown of the government could be, but I agree with Bucky that he is goading the Republican side into doing somethi g stupid. And shutting the government down would be monumentally stupid. Let's see if they managecto snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. I don't think they have the balls to do what they need to do, and that is draft their own immigration reform bills. That would steal his thunder and make immigration policy in the country their own. Be interesting to see what happens. As for immigration, he just created three million new voters. And That's what is really at stake, make no mistake about it.
BKB

[Buckrub]

Why would the GOP draft any legislation, knowing anything that the House passes, the Senate won't??? They couldn't steal any thunder, because they can't pass anything. Neither can the Dems. It's Executive Branch Only till Jan 20..........

They'll pass something........come February. But not till then.

And you are 100% right on your last sentence. Well no you're not. It's probably more than 3 mill.

[Buckrub]

I do disdain the term "undocumented aliens".

I am an undocumented citizen, I guess. I ain't got no papers! This ain't Germany. Geez. What does that term mean, anyway? What is the definition of "alien"??

Why do we have immigration laws? For what?

[BarryBobPosthole]

Nobody in this entire equation really gives a shit about immigration policy. The republicans simply couldn't figure out how to do the same thng Obama just did without pissing off the Tebagger part of their base. That's why there is stalemate. FYI, the Senate passed a bipartisan immigration bill and it stalled in the House. And that's where it sits.
I'd like to see someone present a plan for how we should go about deporting these three million people. That'd be interesting.

BKB

[Captain]

A bus.....

[Captain]

I noticed you don't say anything about the immigration bill that passed the house and was sent up to the Senate and they (the senate) have not taken it up?
Hum why so one sided?

[Buckrub]

Everyone is one sided. Even those that say they aren't but the other side is.

You puts your glasses on one way, or the other way, but not both.

[Chicken Dinner]

I'm really torn on this as I really don't have that big an issue with a more open immigration policy. However, legitimizing coming illegally just isn't the right way to go. It just incentivizes more illegal immigration. The whole, "they're stealing our jobs" thing is complete BS. Maybe it's different other places, but I wouldn't want to try to get something built, cleaned or grown around here without a large immigrant population.

[Buckrub]

I never had a problem getting it done in 1975.

[Niner]

So.....it's not JUST about the Hispanic illegal immigrants, it's about the illegal POLISH immigrants and the illegal IRISH immigrantas in Chicago (from his own mouth). AND....I am guessing....the illegal KENYAN immigrants in Washington DC????

[Captain]

I never had a problem getting it done in 1975.
Exactly

[BarryBobPosthole]

That's funny. we had even less protection at our southern border in 1975. And it wasn't about migrant workers for construction but to get our fruit and vegetables picked in 1975. Ironically, that was the year that communist (that's what you'll call him) Cesar Chavez unionized the migrant farm workers in Texas like he had years earlier in California.
People have been coming across our borders to work for decades. To refuse to accept that is denial. To blame the workers for it is silly. And to criminalize the workers and not criminalize the companies who knowingly encourage their crime and hired them is immoral and is at much criminal as the workers themselves.

BKB

[Captain]

They ARE criminals Posty. They BROKE FEDERAL LAW to get here. What else are they?
And you are spot on with the companies that use them being criminal too. I'm with you on that.

[BarryBobPosthole]

So you honestly think its practical to arrest and deport 11 million people? You think that's a workable plan? wondering how you're gonna go about doing that. Maybe we need a new police force to do that. Let's call them Gestapo! And give them arm bands. and make everyone carry 'papers'.

BKB

[Chicken Dinner]

And it is illegal to hire undocumented workers. (You can't hire anyone without an I-9 and valid ID.). So, what's your point.

I'm not even against liberalizing immigration. I'm just not sure your point is valid.

[Buckrub]

So you honestly think its practical to arrest and deport 11 million people? You think that's a workable plan? wondering how you're gonna go about doing that. Maybe we need a new police force to do that. Let's call them Gestapo! And give them arm bands. and make everyone carry 'papers'.

BKB

I agree. Let's never try to enforce laws that are too hard to enforce, or too expensive. Just a waste of time.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Cd, how many people you see getting arrested and went tp prison for hiring illegals? How many fruit pickers or lawn services or construction companies or chicken processors you see getting investigated? They openly hire and employ illegals. OPENLY. These people don't dome here because they can get on welfare. They come here to work. They come here for jobs. They've been doing it since FDR set up the first worker program.

I agree they're here illegally. What I also think is that y'alls obvious disgust with allowing this illegal to happen applies only to those that don't agree with your political views.

If Republicans are that disgusted with illegal immigration, then pass the appropriations bill to round the fuckers up and deport them. There's been plenty of Republican presidents and congresses over the past several yers to do something about it and they did absolutely doodly squat. Well, other than provide executive orders to make some of em legal they haven't.
This concern and disgust is so thin and fake it makes me want to puke. You are only disgusted when its handy to be. Some might say you're even hipocrites.

BKB

[Captain]

Why is it that you only say it's up to Republicans to fund it and deport? You slam Republicans every chance you get and then claim we politicize issues. You ARE the one here that brings that into play more than anyone.
Why would you not say it's up to Americans to fund and report? Is it because you believe that as long as democrats don't like a law its OK to ignore it?
Answer me this;
If DingDong wanted to do this type action his whole time in office as he says he did, then why did he not do it his first two years when he had both houses of congress and the White House?
I'll tell you why, he wanted to get re-elected....
And tell me why he didn't do this a few weeks ago BEFORE the mid term elections? Hum??????
How many YouTube videos you want to see of DingDong saying what he did is illegal and he DID NOT have the authority to do the very thing he ended up doing?
He's a ass-clown and will be judged in history as such.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Captain, Ding Dong was waiting for the Congress, the House in this case, to either pass or reject the Immigration bill that the Senate sent to the House OVER 500 DAYS AGO. That bill essentially does the same thing the president is doing now by executive order plus funds additional border security that you all have been clamoring for. The FACT is that the Republican leadership never even allowed it to the floor to vote. Ask then why. Or better yet read for yourself the reasons why they didn't. Those reasons had nothing to do with what was in the bill by the way. that's why I'm slamming the same piss ass Republicans who block progress on an issue getting all slobbery over when somebody actually fucking does something. If you love this Congress then you must love incompetence. They are ever bit and more as incompetent as Ding Dong ever thought about being. yetr you vote them right back in and even repeat their crazy statements on issue like this.

So either shit or get off the damned pot.

BKB

[Captain]

Again no answer to my question.
If he REALLY wanted immigration reform as he said he did since he took office WHY did he not do it in the first two years when he had the House, Senate and White House?
And for some reason you refuse to even acknowledge the HOUSE sent a immigration bill to the SENATE and the senate has not even allowed the bill to be read. But I suppose that OK

[BarryBobPosthole]

No its not okay. that's my damned point Larke. The CONGRESS, as in House and Senate has sat on their asses and done nothing. and by the way, the bill the house sent to the senate had an Obamacare poison pill in it. So yeah, that was really all about immigration reform. the bill the Senate sent over to the house did not.

and yeah, he made this move after the elections for a reason. Its a goad. It has not very much to do about immigration reform at all which is another of my points: nobody in Washington really gives a shit about immigration. That's not what this is about at all. so lets quit friggin pretending shall we?

BKB

[Captain]

OK. We are exactly on the same page then. I totally agree with your assessment of the positioning and timing of the "event"
However I do still take issue with you thinking every time the house holds up a bill its a damn Republican conspiracy....
The democrats do the same thing.
And If the courts hold up And say Obama has the right to ignore certain parts of law I hope the next Republican president makes out like a king.
Two can play that game.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Presidents been doing it for a long time. The other side squeals like this every time.

BKB

[Buckrub]

No its not okay. that's my damned point Larke. The CONGRESS, as in House and Senate has sat on their asses and done nothing. and by the way, the bill the house sent to the senate had an Obamacare poison pill in it. So yeah, that was really all about immigration reform. the bill the Senate sent over to the house did not.

and yeah, he made this move after the elections for a reason. Its a goad. It has not very much to do about immigration reform at all which is another of my points: nobody in Washington really gives a shit about immigration. That's not what this is about at all. so lets quit friggin pretending shall we?

BKB

No it's not okay. You specifically slammed Republicans in post 31 above, then when cornered you broadened it to Congress as a whole.

Further, why do you rest your complaints on failing to pass new legislation? They won't enforce current legislation, so why bother passing any at all? Waste of time till the Executive Branch actually begins to enforce existing laws!

You just have an agenda, and want more hard working foreign citizens......and only one reason I can think of.

[Buckrub]

Oh, and speaking of hypocritical, you slam companies for moving offshore to hire legal foreign citizens in their own country, then get mad when we don't want those same foreigners coming here. Geez.

[Buckrub]

Oh, one last thing.

Since you and all of the Federal government finds it so untenable to deport so many, you and they have done the opposite. They've opened the borders even wider.

We're being laughed at.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Well, like I said, if you don't like it, friggin do something about it. all you can seemingly do is run your mouth. You do that real well. And its the Republicans who keep yelling to do something and then do absolutely nothing. Thats why I slam them. You have the House and Senate. Do something. Pass something. Do something beside bitch.
Have you talked to your local sheriff about how much they're enforcing the immigration laws? You, the people who claim to want small government are DEMANDING the government do something. You have no local authority to help fix this? Sure you do. You're like the rest of Arkansas, you profit off of it, so you don't want to do anything but make noise. Your state is one of the worse at this Bucky.



BKB

[Buckrub]

Sidestepping.

Who does it is immaterial. I blame everyone. You make it political, and keep saying the answer is more worthless legislation.

[Buckrub]

But only legislation you like.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Bucky, you have a memory about as short as my peter but I actually supported Bush II's Immigration Reform policy. It was basically the bill that's in the House right now. the BIPARTISAN bill. Oh wait, you don't like compromise. He couldn't get that one through Congress because Republican leadership didn't want to piss off the Teabagger electorate. And you can look that one up and see for yourself who killed that. That's the story every time it comes up. and that's why nobody really friggin cares about Immigration Policy. What they care about is pandering to voters. Its the ultimate of shallow politics.

The number of illegals by the way have decreased under Obama, not increased. In fact, it's down from the Bush era high by about a million people. So while you're blaming Ding Dong, yiou might want to check and see how your own ding Dongs have done.

BKB

[Buckrub]

I'll type slower.

I blame everyone.

Enforce the freaking laws!

[Buckrub]

I see you'd rather watch your silly Sooner than engage in meaningful dialog with your fellow Americans.

Fine. I'm about to climb down and do the same.

Storm of the century in Fayetteville, headed to us in hours.

[BarryBobPosthole]

I think it might go south of us, but too early to tell.

BKB

[Captain]

The number of illegals by the way have decreased under Obama, not increased. In fact, it's down from the Bush era high by about a million people. So while you're blaming Ding Dong, yiou might want to check and see how your own ding Dongs have done. BKB

You are 100% correct the numbers are down, and it is a direct reflection of the Ass-Clowns economy! Bush was in office there was jobs and production in the US. Ding Dong got in and tanked the economy and jobs went AWAY.! That IS the ONLY reason they are down under him, NOT because of anything he has done to address the issue.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Well, now that's a new one. First Bucky says the flood gates are open and the border is open now more than ever, and when I show facts that show that illegal immigration are down and deportations are actually UP and you say its because of Obama's' shitty economy. Y'all just make shit up as you go along.

BKB

[Captain]

What do you mean Yall??? I don't...
I thought you were a man that read and kept up with news. I guess only the news you want to hear.... Where you been the last 6 years?

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0423/Illegal-immigration-slows-almost-to-a-standstill

"Much of the drop in illegal immigrants is due to the persistently weak U.S. economy, which has shrunk construction and service-sector jobs attractive to Mexican workers following the housing bust."

And I think Bucky's comment on the borders being more open now than ever was actually his opinion. One that only time will tell is correct or not.

[Captain]

And I do give credit where credit is due. You are right deportations are up. Due to policy and laws put in place by a real president. That would be "W"

(Don't you hate it when I'm in a stand and and no deer are around? dde08 )

[DeputyDog]

Barry, I put the recipe we use for canning deer in the college kid.... Post.

[Captain]

Presidents been doing it for a long time. The other side squeals like this every time. BKB

No they have not.
Go find me one time when a president has shoved through HIS SIGNATURE LEGISLATION, his baby, his legacy HIS BILL AND LAW, and then within a year has said parts of it he was going to ignore and not allow or enforce. Without sending it back to congress for modification. Show me!

[Buckrub]

I didn't say they were more open now.

I SAID that current policies will open it more.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Thanks Deppty!

Bite me Cappy and Bucky!

BOomer Sooner!

BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

And FYI your whole position and argument on immigration is a gigantic red herring.

BKB

[Captain]

So you are not going to acknowledge illegal immigration is down due to Ding Dongs weak ass economy, (even thought I showed you in black and white)
OR
Deportations are UP because of Bush's policies
AND you can't show me where a past president has unilaterally modified his own signature legislation without going back to congress.
And you say MY points are Red Herrins....
(Hope your team wins) ;-) (not politically, football)

[BarryBobPosthole]

Captain, there's been lots of executive actions and some of them were good and some of them were bad. FDR suspended the Right of Habeus Corpus, he interred a whole bunch of Japanese, A little thing I like to call the Emancipation Proclamation was enacted by Lincoln. There's a huge precedent for it. The other side never likes it and they whine like you are now.

And no, I don't recognize the economy as the reason illegal immigration is down and I definitely think Obama has deported more people because he was executing the law. Just like he was executing the law that congress passed when all these kids came earlier this year. You know, when you and Bucky and Ted Cruz were all pissed? That was a law passed in 2008. By Congress. Ding Dong and Dubya are both losers IMO so it really don't matter much. But I agree with both of their positions on immigration policy. We need to come out of denial and figure out how to make these people pay their own freight while they're here and we need to make it so they can work and then go home. That will also legitimize businesses who use this labor force and they will also pay the taxes they should be but aren't now. (ya know, the ones CD was so worried about making those with dual citizenship pay)That doesn't exist today, and it doesn't because of the extreme right wrong of the Republican Party. And THAT is a fact.



BKB

[Captain]

Captain, there's been lots of executive actions and some of them were good and some of them were bad. FDR suspended the Right of Habeus Corpus, he interred a whole bunch of Japanese, A little thing I like to call the Emancipation Proclamation was enacted by Lincoln. There's a huge precedent for it. The other side never likes it and they whine like you are now.

Posthole, both examples you give were in wartime and that gives the presidents the constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces. WHOLE different ballgame. I thought you knew stuff. You can't compare a wartime authority act by a president the same as a spoiled ass clown trying to get his way.... And you should note that president Linclon was a republican and had to fight not only a civil war but northern democrats that did not want the slaves freed. And he only freed the slaves in the south NOT THE NORTH... This was a wartime act. Not something even in the same church as OBummer care.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Keep stretchin'.

BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

Here's a link to a list of executive actions specifically related to immigration.

BKB

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/21/executive-actions-on-immigration-have-long-history/

And here's a link with all executive actions listed by president. Interestingly enough, Ding Dong is way behind the Idiot

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

BKB

[Captain]

Keep stretchin'. BKB

You the one stretching, and trying to spin stuff to make it fit elsewhere.

"The Emancipation Proclamation was a presidential proclamation[1] issued by President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, as a war measure during the American Civil War, directed to all of the areas in rebellion and all segments of the Executive branch (including the Army and Navy) of the United States. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states that were still in rebellion,[2]excluding areas controlled by the Union and thus applying to 3 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at the time. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces"

IT WAS A WARTIME ACT, not a I didn't get my way act.

So all the next republican president has to do is say OK congress you got 200 days to pass a bill on financial reform and if they don't do it, you are going to be OK with that republican president handleing it anyway he see fit at that time.


I

[BarryBobPosthole]

The president is the commander in chief of the armed forces even when we aren't at war!

BKB

[Captain]

Yes he is but he has certain authority during war time that he does not have in peacetime. Please tell me you know that...

[BarryBobPosthole]

Not legally there ain't.
BKB

[Captain]

Done...

[Buckrub]

Me too. This is like teaching a pig to tell time.

It's a waste of time, annoys the pig, and ruins a good watch.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Well I'm glad you're finally getting a sense of humor about it!

BKB

[Buckrub]

It was especially humorous, since in this case you were the pig, you see.