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BarryBobPosthole
12-09-2014, 11:40 AM
Isn't this kinda sorta maybe what the frick got us here in the first frickin place?

Just wonderin'.

BKB


In an effort to open up lending to more low-income and first time home buyers, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac announced Monday that they will start backing mortgages with down payments of as little as 3% of the home's price.

But borrowers will still need to meet strict criteria first, the two government-backed mortgage giants said.

The new loans will only be doled out to those who buy private mortgage insurance, have a credit score of at least 620 and offer complete documentation of their income, assets and job status. And, to further mitigate risk, the agencies will require borrowers to receive home ownership counseling.

Both programs are for fixed-rate loans given to first time homebuyers and those seeking to refinance. Fannie will start backing the loans as soon as December 13, while Freddie will start offering them March 23.

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The move should expand access to credit for first-time homebuyers, typically younger buyers who have not have had enough time to save a big lump sum.

Fannie and Freddie already back mortgages with as low as 5% down. And the Federal Housing Administration insures 3.5% loans.

Still, according to Mark Palim, who directs economic and strategic research at Fannie Mae, it's a welcome expansion of credit.

"It's not a radical departure from what we're doing now, but anything at the margins helps," he said.

The 3% loans from Fannie and Freddie should also offer some advantages over the 3.5% down loans offered by FHA, according to Palim.

For example, the FHA loans require borrowers to pay for private mortgage insurance premiums for the entire term of the mortgage -- typically 30 years. That means adding an extra 1.35 percentage points to monthly mortgage rates. A loan carrying a 4% rate, for example, becomes a 5.35% mortgage.

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In dollars, that's about an extra $80 a month for every $100,000 borrowed or $960 a year. That adds up to nearly $30,000 over the life of the loan.

Under Fannie and Freddie's programs, borrowers are permitted to cancel their private mortgage insurance premiums once the mortgage balance drops below 80% of the home's value -- either because they've made enough payments or the home's value has risen.

If home prices increase 5% a year for three or four years, for example, these borrowers may be able to cancel their insurance and save them tens of thousands of dollars over the next 26 or 27 years.
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Thumper
12-09-2014, 11:44 AM
Can you say déjà vu boys and girls?

Chicken Dinner
12-09-2014, 12:17 PM
Where's the Penguin when you need him?

Thumper
12-09-2014, 12:23 PM
On a kind of related note ... what'cha think of this?

My BIL is a multi-millionaire and a pretty sharp dude. While I was out there for Thanksgiving, I noted the low gas prices and after a news story came on the tv that night about gas prices dropping and OPEC deciding not to raise their prices, he said, "Here we go again." He also told his son (who's now running the company) to tighten his belt a little and not to spend anything that isn't necessary.

I asked what's going on and he said it looks (to him) like a repeat of the 80's. I asked him to explain. (Note: His business is directly tied to the oil business and I may be off on some of the details because he had a LOT to say, but it kind of made sense). When oil was so high, we got more involved in oil exploration and jumped into fracking, etc. because the high cost of oil made it more economically feasible. If it costs us more to drill our own oil than we can buy it on the open market, our oil exploration/drilling dries up. In his opinion, OPEC is lowering their prices to drive the "little guys" out of business which will put them back on top with little or no competition. Then they'll lower the boom. He said that's exactly what happened in the 80's when the industry crashed in Houston. (where he lives)

I'll admit, I'm pretty ignorant as to the cause and affect of the last "oil crisis", but after listening to him, I hit the internet to see if I could find the correlation he was talking about and dang if it doesn't look familiar! Maybe that's why he's a bazillionaire and I sell crap on eBay to pay my bills. :(

Anyway, the high cost of crude is what makes it more economical for us to spend tons of cash exploring our own resources. Here's an explanation I found on the net for the "crisis" in the early 80's.

When the price of West Texas Intermediate crude oil increased 250 percent between 1978 and 1980, the oil-producing areas of Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Colorado, Wyoming, and Alaska began experiencing an economic boom and population inflows.

Then the shit hit the fan as OPEC (read Saudi Arabia) didn't care for our "competition".

OPEC failed to hold on to its preeminent position, and by 1981, its production was surpassed by that of other countries. Additionally, its own member nations were divided among themselves. Saudi Arabia, a "swing producer" trying to gain back market share, increased production and caused downward pressure on prices, making high-cost oil production facilities less profitable or even unprofitable.

Now here's an excerpt from an article 5 days ago:

On Thursday, Saudi Arabian Oil Co., also known as Saudi Aramco, reduced its official selling prices for all oil grades bound for Asia in January by between $1.50 and $1.90 a barrel, compared with December. It also cut prices for all crude grades to the U.S. by between 10 cents and 90 cents a barrel. Oil markets have recently been interpreting Saudi Arabia’s monthly price adjustments as signs of the oil producer’s intent to retain market share through a price war rather than adjusting export volumes.

Sound familiar? My BIL is pretty sharp on the subject and has been in the business for 35 years ... I guess he didn't make his millions by being stupid ... but he sure got me thinking. These "low" gas prices we're enjoying may just help kill that dang pipeline we've been scrambling over lately .. and force us (and Canada) to abandon those shale reserves for a while.

I know it's much more complicated and there are probably all sorts of ways to look at this ... but I'll guarandamntee you, the Saudis aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They're simply driving their competitors into bankruptcy so they can again become THE monopoly.

Captain
12-09-2014, 12:27 PM
It's all Bush's fault. Just ask OBummer.

Chicken Dinner
12-09-2014, 12:31 PM
I thought it was pretty well understood that they were doing it to shut down the current US oil boom. I'm pretty sure at $100 per barrel the US is pretty much oil independent. On a related note, it's also killing Putin and Russia's economy worse than ours which could impact his ability to continue instigating regional havoc. Of course, it could make him even less stable...

BarryBobPosthole
12-09-2014, 12:41 PM
Wonder what the floor price will be?

And FYI, not only does it dry up the 'little guys' it also takes the air out of ANY alternative energy development for the time being.

And for the record, its the little guys in my state who operate on the hairy edge and over the line from a pollution standpoint. Fracking is like a lot of other things, if we'd enforce the regulations we have then we wouldn't have half the problems with it. But also in my state, all efforts to enforce the existing regs are painted as 'pro-EPA'. Hell even our state attorney general is on the take and openly so.

BKB

DeputyDog
12-09-2014, 02:16 PM
I'd vote for it making Putin a little less stable. The lack of resources and an economy in the dumpster has been the reason for lots of land grabs in history and the start of many a war. I think, but I could be wrong, but isn't the Ukraine pretty heavy in energy resources?

Buckrub
12-09-2014, 08:55 PM
I caint pull my camper on no alternative energy. Stick a needle in the ground everywhere God put oil. If it runs out, some smart folks will figure out an alternative. If not we'll ride horses again.

LJ3
12-10-2014, 10:53 AM
Putin is in the running on the Top 5 candidates for Time's person of the year. Along with the Ferguson protesters :)

http://time.com/3623703/time-person-of-the-year-2014-shortlist/

Chicken Dinner
12-10-2014, 03:02 PM
Shit disturber.

Buckrub
12-10-2014, 03:50 PM
Putin is in the running on the Top 5 candidates for Time's person of the year. Along with the Ferguson protesters :)

http://time.com/3623703/time-person-of-the-year-2014-shortlist/

Who owns Time, Pelosi?