Jihadi John????

[Buckrub]

Am I missing something here? Help me out..........

Why are 'we' determined to go after this guy? Why is being determined to wipe out the Mouthpiece For Evil more important than the evil itself?

This is like going after Tokyo Rose rather than Tokyo!

?????

[BarryBobPosthole]

I don't understand today's news cycle either. Its either soft porn or some bullshit like this. And of course, its in vogue to pretend like we're (whoever is in the first person seat) persecuted.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

We are determined to go after him because we can't do anything about the evil itself. That is a way of thinking in that part of the world that only the people there can do something about. Until the radicals are ostracized in their home countries we cannot do anything about them except kill the ones we can identify and wait for the new ones to show themselves and then kill them.

An example from our own history is slavery. No matter how many abolitionists there were in the north and no matter how many other countries in the world abolished slavery in their own countries, it was a way of life for the southern plantation owners, and it took their defeat in the Civil War, or "War of Northern Aggression" for you Southerners here, to change that.

[Captain]

That sounds like a true Yankee misinterpretation of facts... dde09

"On January 1, 1863, Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. With it he officially freed all slaves within the states or parts of states that were in rebellion and not in Union hands. This left one million slaves in Union territory still in bondage."

[DeputyDog]

That being said, how many slaves in territory not occupied by Union troops were set free just because this was issued? The Confederacy considered itself an independent nation and didn't care what laws or proclamations were passed in the USA. No more than we care today about any laws passed in Canada, Mexico, or any other country in the world.

Ok, how about a less sensitive topic, since anything involving that war that happened in the US in the 1860's is still sensitive to some around here. :stirthepot


This may not be an apple to apple comparison, but let's use Nazi Germany for an example. Not every German was a Nazi or believed what they were spewing, but they did nothing to stop them and they took over the entire nation and it took their defeat in WWII to get them out of power. Then the moderate Germans made it illegal to even display any Nazi symbols or proclaim any pro-Nazi speech and the threat they once were was eliminated and probably will never happen again. Unless these radical groups are weakened to the point that they are no longer a threat in the countries where they exist, and the radical teachings they put out are made illegal and no longer tolerated, this problem will continue for ever.

[Buckrub]

That being said, how many slaves in territory not occupied by Union troops were set free just because this was issued? The Confederacy considered itself an independent nation and didn't care what laws or proclamations were passed in the USA. No more than we care today about any laws passed in Canada, Mexico, or any other country in the world.

Ok, how about a less sensitive topic, since anything involving that war that happened in the US in the 1860's is still sensitive to some around here. :stirthepot


This may not be an apple to apple comparison, but let's use Nazi Germany for an example. Not every German was a Nazi or believed what they were spewing, but they did nothing to stop them and they took over the entire nation and it took their defeat in WWII to get them out of power. Then the moderate Germans made it illegal to even display any Nazi symbols or proclaim any pro-Nazi speech and the threat they once were was eliminated and probably will never happen again. Unless these radical groups are weakened to the point that they are no longer a threat in the countries where they exist, and the radical teachings they put out are made illegal and no longer tolerated, this problem will continue for ever.

None.

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/cliffsnotes/american-government/did-abraham-lincolns-emancipation-proclamation-actually-free-any-slaves

A. The proclamation didn't free any of the many Union slaves.

B. He wasn't in charge of the Confederacy. Any proclamation he'd make concerning it would be pretty useless. He didn't free any Confederate slaves. This just let the slaves run north and be able to join the Union army.

And no sensitivity here. Just need stuff to be factual.

[Captain]

You are in BAD need of a history lesson. The slaves in the north stayed slaves. And yes there were more than a million up there.
Lincoln DID NOT want to release the slaves at all. In fact look (go and read) his inaugural address....
"In his inaugural address, delivered on March 4, 1861, Lincoln proclaimed that it was his duty to maintain the Union. He also declared that he had no intention of ending slavery where it existed, or of repealing the Fugitive Slave Law"
He ONLY took that action because England and other countries were fixing to enter the war on behalf of the south.
By freeing the slaves that kept those countries from fighting on the side of the south.

[Buckrub]

As to your analogy, it's bogus, IMHO. It's true, if there were enough moderates in the Middle East to overthrow the radicals, maybe it'd make sense. But I don't see that.

Much of Germany hated Hitler, yes. But not a majority. Most were patriotic and behind him. Regardless, let's say for argument's sake that you are correct and Germany was against Hitler and he just forced himself on them. If that's an analogy to the Middle East, I don't buy it. The factions that are fighting each other over there will BOTH rejoice in the streets if another 9/11 happened......they did it before, they will again. I don't see any true comparison because I do not believe these radicals are some extreme minority. I realize that's the expected and prevailing attitude we're 'supposed' to believe, but I don't see any facts to support that view.

[Buckrub]

Oh, and there were about 3.9 Million slaves in all the South. And over 1 million in the North.