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Buckrub
08-06-2015, 05:38 PM
I ain't watching what they jokingly call a 'debate'. You'd have to offer me 2 months hunt with Cappy, a month fishing with Ed, and let Posthole cook the entire time, before I'd consider it.

They are not debates. I know what a debate is. These are jokes. And I will not skew my idea of whom to vote for based on this silliness. Not while the TV has other channels!

Big Muddy
08-06-2015, 06:14 PM
Personally, I'm gonna watch it, just in case Trump tells somebody to kiss his azz. ;)

Somebody said Mike Huckabee is gonna raise hell, tonite.

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 06:18 PM
I'll read about it in the morning.

LJ3
08-06-2015, 06:35 PM
Huckabee's too nice to be Presidential material. I'm watching! This is great theater! Or is the Theatre if johnboy watches?

Thumper
08-06-2015, 08:22 PM
For the record, I'll be watching. I'd kind of like to see them in person and be as informed as possible to form my own opinions. I'm not going to read the paper tomorrow to read THEIR interpretation.

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 08:24 PM
Then I'll let YOU tell me tomorrow how it went. I trust you way more than news sources.

Thumper
08-06-2015, 08:32 PM
So, have you already decided who you're voting for? You already have all the info you need to make your decision?

No-till Boss
08-06-2015, 08:34 PM
So, have you already decided who you're viting for? You already have all the info you need to make your decision?

I'm pretty sure he votes against, not for .

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 08:37 PM
So, have you already decided who you're voting for? You already have all the info you need to make your decision?

Of course not.

I don't even know who's running yet.

Thumper
08-06-2015, 08:38 PM
I'm pretty sure he votes against, not for .

I have to admit, that's basically what I've done the last few elections. It sucks. :(

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:09 PM
Fox already asked a question they knew would be tough on Trump, and to his credit he answered it honestly and it pissed everyone off.

BKB

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:11 PM
And ten minutes in, its clear this in't a debate, its an interview.

BKB

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:12 PM
Rumor was Kelly hates Trump. So do a lot of folks.

Great article today, op ed piece in local paper, about him. But I won't republish it.

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:13 PM
And ten minutes in, its clear this in't a debate, its an interview.

BKB

See why I don't watch?

That's what I said before it started.

No-till Boss
08-06-2015, 09:15 PM
Fox already asked a question they knew would be tough on Trump, and to his credit he answered it honestly and it pissed everyone off.

BKB

I might vote for Trump just to watch him piss everyone off, of course I agree with Bucky that he might just be there for a spoiler too.

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:18 PM
Megan Kelly is a bitch and that's her whole schtick.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:21 PM
Trump sure seems awfully thin-skinned.

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:21 PM
I will do as I always do, and vote for anybody and anything that is not on the Democratic Party ticket.

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:23 PM
Megan Kelly is a bitch and that's her whole schtick.

BKB

OK this is funny.

A right wing NUT job on another web site just posted almost the exact same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:30 PM
So, every tough woman is just a bitch? Haven't we gotten past that?

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:34 PM
No.

And I'm married to the toughest woman I know. And she's not a bitch.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:36 PM
I need to work on my shit disturbing. (Hell, I didn't even know who Meghan Kelly wS until tonight.)

Captain
08-06-2015, 09:40 PM
I need to work on my shit disturbing. (Hell, I didn't even know who Meghan Kelly wS until tonight.)

A REAL SD-er would have not left that door open for Posty.
You should have said
So, every tough (conservative) woman is just a bitch? Haven't we gotten past that?

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:42 PM
I'm not worthy...

Captain
08-06-2015, 09:45 PM
Posthole is smart and sneaky, he will find a hole if there's one there. :D

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:48 PM
Is it just me or does this panel of questioners trying to make Trump look bad? They seem to be kind of playing to hos opponents criticisms of him.

BKB

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:49 PM
Do you guys not read anything?

Meghan Kelly hates Trump. There's been a host of articles on how she'd try to attack him. Geez.

I'm going to bed. Debate my left butt cheek.........ugh.

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:51 PM
I read lots of stuff. Do I read articles about the media coverage of politics? No.

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:52 PM
This thing is a clusterfuck. Very poorly done. They need to hold a true debate.

BKB

Buckrub
08-06-2015, 09:52 PM
Well I saw it, and I read almost none of that crap. I heard it was going to happen.

I don't care what she thinks or what they said about it. This is not the way to pick our leaders. Bucky out.

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:53 PM
Well, I think Trump is showing his ass and that was the main thing I was hoping to get out of tonight.

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 09:58 PM
As for the moderators, I still don't know who the two guys are (the one on the left at least looks a little familiar) and I only know the woman's name because you guys used it. Other than some local stuff, I just don't get my news from TV.

This Facebook stuff is nonsense though. I wonder how much they paid?

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 09:59 PM
I'm not sure how you learn about what the candidates think without some type of forum to let them debate issues. Its as ingrained in our process as kissing babies.

I like the question and answers on Common Core. The first question there was any substantive answer. The rest have been campaign slogans.

+2 pts for Bush and Rubio

Scott Walker is a smarmy college frat boy.
I think I hate him.

BKb

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 10:05 PM
I'm not a fan of Walker either. Cruz scares the hell out of me. Kasich and Carson have at least made me want to learn more about them. That's probably the best they can hope for with this kind of cattle call.

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 10:07 PM
Agree on those two as well.

BKB

Thumper
08-06-2015, 10:15 PM
Ha ha! It's pretty obvious the moderators don't like Trump! I can't believe how obvious they're being. I think he's a blowhard, but I love his give a shit, in your face and fuck you attitude! ;)

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 10:20 PM
Haha...Mike Huckaby seems to have forgotten Nikita Kruschev yelling 'I will BURY you!' To the USA.

BKB

Arty
08-06-2015, 10:28 PM
Ha ha! It's pretty obvious the moderators don't like Trump! I can't believe how obvious they're being. I think he's a blowhard, but I love his give a shit, in your face and fuck you attitude! ;)

Would you say "he doesn't give a rats ass?"

BarryBobPosthole
08-06-2015, 10:31 PM
What do you think the chances are that the obvious bias against Trump by the moderators backfires and makes him even more popularity.
.i have to say, he's the only one who's made me say 'FuckinA' tonight.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
08-06-2015, 10:35 PM
Ha ha! It's pretty obvious the moderators don't like Trump! I can't believe how obvious they're being. I think he's a blowhard, but I love his give a shit, in your face and fuck you attitude! ;)

I don't know about dislike so much as making sure everyone has the chance to see him for what he really is. That's the price of being the front runner.

Thumper
08-07-2015, 12:16 AM
What do you think the chances are that the obvious bias against Trump by the moderators backfires and makes him even more popularity. I have to say, he's the only one who's made me say 'FuckinA' tonight. BKB

Dang P-hole, the way it's been going, that's a possibility. I think it's the same reason I was enamoured with Perot a few years back. I was so sick and tired of politicians, I wanted to try something new. Prob. is, I started out liking him at first, but that "like" faded fast. I look at Trump the same way, I love his "tell it like it is" attitude, but I think he'd be a bit embarrassing as a President. Of course, he sure couldn't be any more embarrassing than what we've been stuck with the past coupl'a terms. Who knows? Maybe he'd surround himself with a killer staff and actually get something done.

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 06:26 AM
Perot at least came off as a folksy straight talker. Trump just seemed thin skinned and ill prepared.

Thumper
08-07-2015, 06:38 AM
From what I understand, Trump doesn't "prepare". He simply walks in and says whatever he feels. I'm assuming that's what people are liking about him.

I'm headed for an estate sale in a few minutes, but while I was getting dressed this morning, I was watching the local news on TV. I wan't paying that much attention, but they showed a huge auditorium full of "red state" people gathered (somewhere) to watch the debate (I agree, it was an "interview" IMHO) and they absolutely went crazy cheering whenever Trump spoke. In interviews with them after the "debate", the general concensus was that FINALLY someone has the balls to say what others SHOULD have been saying all along, but are too "politically correct" to do so. They were going nuts for the guy!

I'd say, the moderators, without question, were targeting Trump. Odd, the VERY FIRST question out of the gate was asking anyone to raise their hand if they'd run as an independent if not nominated ... which would guarantee a win for Hillary. Of course Trump was the only one to raise his hand and drew loud boo's from everyone in the arena. The "moderators" knew exactly what they were doing, who would raise their hand, and knew exactly what kind of a response it would generate. And THAT is how the evening started! It didn't change much. I got tickled when Trump said what he thought of Meghan Kelly and the press in general. ;)

That said, he's a bit of an embarrassment as far as I'm concerned ... but so is our President.

Trump remindes me of Ted Nugent in a way. I'm not crazy about the guy and think he's a bit "out there", but I appreciate the fact he says what he feels instead of what everyone "expects" him to say. It takes balls, but you're not going to win a popularity contest in this politically correct world.

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 07:59 AM
Stories like that are why I really don't care how few Americans actually vote.

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 08:28 AM
Best synopsis I've seen this morning:

"And thus, in the first minute of the debate, Trump was undressed and unmasked, and he stood there as the unprincipled, naked egomaniac that he is. He never quite recovered. His admission of political infidelity was the prism through which all of his subsequent bluster had to be viewed."

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 08:53 AM
^^^^wishful thinking.

I think among Trump supporters, they will think he did quite well. Poltical fidelity is percieved as part of the problem by the people who support him. And its part of the recipe that's gotten us in this divisive mess we're in today,

My opinion is that Trump strnegthened his cause among his supporters. Whether he convinced anyone to come over to his way of thinking is yet to be seen. I think Bucky was right: he may decided this election if he's still around at the end. And that is a real poser whether he will or not.

What if he decides to go independent and blames conservative media coverage as a reason? Notice the chairman of the RNC was going out of his way after the debate not to say anything disparaging about him.

BKb

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 09:19 AM
You're prolly right about wishful thinking. I know the WaPo's coverage of the debate this morning was pretty generous to Trump.

LJ3
08-07-2015, 09:48 AM
That's was quite the shit show. I found it very interesting. Total Trump ambush but pretty much what I expected. It had nothing to do with the Presidential race but whatever :)

Trump on baby!

If I was forced to vote for one of those fucks based on what I saw last night. I'd go with Fuckabee. Or Cruz. Or Rand Paul. Or Trump.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 09:57 AM
Funny how people's perceptions are different. I thought Fuckaby sounded like a radio talk show host. Its easy to say 'I'd do this or that' on the radio but when you give it the smell test it doesn't hold up. Like his 'consumption based tax'.

Kasich and Rubio made me want to explore a little deeper on both of them. Carson started well, but in the end, he ended up sounding like the social network meme generator that he is. Another guy who would find it difficult to implement the solutions that he espouses and makes sound too easy. I thought Carson's 10% flat tax idea was the best on that topic.
BKB

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 10:00 AM
I'm not opposed to a flat tax, but any serious analysis I've seen done by a real tax wonk pretty much debunks the idea that 10% is high enough. I also don't trust our Congress not to screw it up down the road.

LJ3
08-07-2015, 10:05 AM
I'm not opposed to a flat tax, but any serious analysis I've seen done by a real tax wonk pretty much debunks the idea that 10% is high enough. I also don't trust our Congress not to screw it up down the road.

Uhhhh, aren't YOU a tax wonk? I think I'd trust your opinion over most I would hear on the subject. I agree 10% is too low. I'm paying 30+% now so anything in between that would be fine with me as long as EVERYONE had to pay it or be shot in the face with dead buzzards guts.

Thumper
08-07-2015, 10:12 AM
Heck, ANYONE who's name rhymes with Thump, can't be all bad. :D

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 10:45 AM
Reading y'all's comments is really interesting.

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 11:03 AM
Liars.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/factchecking-the-gop-debate-late-edition/ar-BBltMVI

Hombre
08-07-2015, 11:54 AM
I don't really care if it was a Trump ambush. He's set himself up for some really tough questions in his "non-political speech" and he's was going to have to deal with them down the road whether it came from a fox panel or in a democratic debate. I think Fox did the Rep. party a favor by asking them now, and I think he absolutely bombed. For me Marco Rubio absolutely shined last night. His answers were crisp and on point. I about wanted to jump through the screen when Christi gave his speech on "entitlement programs" and cutting social security and medicare back, or extending the age. I'm not against looking at his 1 month extension for every year but quick calling something I see come out of my paycheck entitlement. I'm not a Scott Walker fan either but thought his answer on Iran was pretty funny....when he said with the China and Russia hacks lately its pretty sad to think they know more about Hillary's email than we do"

Trump to me seemed like a school yard bully. The I really don't know what I'm talking about so I'm going to act smug, and insluting, and get you to quit asking me tough questions.

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:05 PM
With Hillary Clinton's multiple misdeeds coming to light and causing her political problems, reflected in her declining support in the polls, both she and the Democratic Party have reason to be concerned. But both of them may yet be rescued by The Donald, who could turn out to be their Trump card.

Donald Trump has virtually no chance of becoming even the Republican Party's candidate in 2016, much less being elected president of the United States.

The reason is not hard to understand: Republican voters simply do not trust him, as the polls show. Nor is there any reason why they should trust him, given his chameleon-like changes in the past.

Why then is he the front-runner in the polls?

One reason is arithmetic. When there is a small army of Republican candidates, each with a tiny set of supporters, anyone with enough name recognition to get the support of a fifth or a fourth of the Republicans polled stands out, even if twice that many Republicans say they would never vote for him.

When both kinds of Republicans are counted, Donald Trump is both the front-runner and the leading pariah. The danger is not that he will get the nomination, but that his irresponsible talk will become the image of the Republican Party, and that his bombast will drown out more sober voices that need to be heard, thereby making it harder to select the best candidate.

More is involved than arithmetic, however. Many Republican voters are so disgusted with their party, especially over its repeated betrayals of them, and of the country, especially when it comes to immigration, that they are immediately attracted to anyone who voices the outrage they feel.

Donald Trump has turned this opening phase of the 2016 primaries into The Donald Trump Show. All of this might be very entertaining, if this were not a crucial juncture in the history of the country and of the world.

But, while all this political theater is going on, the world's leading promoter of international terrorism--Iran--has gotten a deal that all but guarantees that it will have nuclear bombs and, not just incidentally, intercontinental missiles to deliver them.

Iran doesn't need intercontinental missiles to reach Israel, which is closer to Iran than St. Louis is to Boston. Send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

We can only hope that, somewhere among the many Republican candidates, there is someone who can, as president, make the hard decisions and take the hard steps required to undo the utter disaster that looms ahead as a result of Barack Obama's feckless foreign policies.

If ever there was a time to carefully sift through all the aspiring Republican candidates, in hopes of finding just one who might be up to the superhuman task ahead, in order to head off a nuclear catastrophe, this is surely the time to look for a solid, wise and steadfast leader.

A shoot-from-the-hip bombastic show-off is the last thing we need or can afford. As for the Democrats, their leading candidate--Hillary Clinton--was one of the architects of the foreign policy disasters that can turn into world-changing catastrophes.

As for the Republican mob scene, it is a challenge just to remember all the names of the candidates. These include many who must know, in their heart of hearts, that they have no real chance of getting the nomination. But unless they withdraw, the public's attention may well be fragmented over too many candidates for them to find a truly promising candidate for president.

My own view is that the last thing we need is another great talker with no track record of actually taking responsibility for running a government at any level. Among the Republican candidates are some governors whose records are worth scrutinizing. But the sooner the talkers are gone, the better. We can only hope that Donald Trump will be leading the procession of talkers headed for the exit. But don't count on it.

Worse yet, 36 percent of Republicans polled recently say that they would vote for Trump if he ran as a third-party candidate. That would virtually guarantee victory for Hillary Clinton. The Donald could definitely be the Democrats' Trump card.

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Thomas Sowell is a fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 12:12 PM
The one answer I liked from Huckaby was the one about means testing social security.

The answer to the social security funding issue is quite simple. First, pass a law that forbids the government from borrowing against the trust funds for any program outside of social security. We've borrowed about $2trillion from it for other programs so far. Second, means test the only portion of it that's not paid for and that is disability payments. A person on social security is only eligible to recieve it if they stay below a certain income level. That's not true for disability payments and that makes no sense for a 'safety net' type of insurance which is what all of social security is. Its also the fastest growing segment of social security costs and is the part of the trust fund that will run a deficit the fastest.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:17 PM
Republicans are not smart enough to figure this out. The right wing guys I talk to are GIDDY over Trump. I get it, I know why. Heck, I've advocated the Chaos Party for years!! I hate the system, I hate what Government has turned into, and I'm ready for a Radical. (Posthole? Doesn't this remind you of Isaac Asimov's "Mule"?). But electing a President is about Math. The Electoral College ensures that if you get 50.003% of California, you get ALL 55 votes, not 28. And the populus states will go Democratic. That's just a fact. So, anyone who disrupts the small mathematical chance of a Republican to win, is not the good guy in my book. Has NOTHING to do with whether he'd be good or not. Has to do with whether he can win and get the Libs out of power.

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:17 PM
The one answer I liked from Huckaby was the one about means testing social security.

The answer to the social security funding issue is quite simple. First, pass a law that forbids the government from borrowing against the trust funds for any program outside of social security. We've borrowed about $2trillion from it for other programs so far. Second, means test the only portion of it that's not paid for and that is disability payments. A person on social security is only eligible to recieve it if they stay below a certain income level. That's not true for disability payments and that makes no sense for a 'safety net' type of insurance which is what all of social security is. Its also the fastest growing segment of social security costs and is the part of the trust fund that will run a deficit the fastest.

BKB

That's fine if you don't pay into it.
But if you buy insurance, you don't want the benefits paid only to the poor.

Big Skyz
08-07-2015, 12:19 PM
I sad it before the debate and I'm even more convinced now, I will stick with Cruz. He didn't say or do anything overly stupid last night, kept his cool, and responded well to the questions. I will also note he was not on the long list of candidates that stretched the truth or flat out lied about the facts. The fact that that get scares a few people I think is a good thing. In fact, I hope a whole lot of people in the Middle East, gay rights activists, and welfare recipients are scared to death of him.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 12:24 PM
That's fine if you don't pay into it.
But if you buy insurance, you don't want the benefits paid only to the poor.

I'm not saying pay it only to the poor. I'm saying do it just like we do social security: means test it until you reach full retirement age. Its the segment that is on disability and under full retirement age that's the fastest growing segment of disability insurance beneficiaries. Why should We pay a 50 year old SS Disability if he's making above the SS income threshold? ($15000)

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:28 PM
I'm not saying pay it only to the poor. I'm saying do it just like we do social security: means test it until you reach full retirement age. Its the segment that is on disability and under full retirement age that's the fastest growing segment of disability insurance beneficiaries. Why should We pay a 50 year old SS Disability if he's making above the SS income threshold? ($15000)

BKB

I guess because he was forced to buy Disability Insurance as part of his forced SS payroll tax for years.....................

Chicken Dinner
08-07-2015, 12:34 PM
The fact that a great swath of right wingers appear to be giddy about The Donald is part of what really confuses me. These are the same folks who have spent the past 20 years eviscerating the GOP with their RINO purity tests. If Trump isn't a RINO, I don't know who is?

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 12:41 PM
And that's what is troubling Faux News. If this was CNN treating a Republican the way Trump was last night they'd be getting skewered by the Right.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:42 PM
Hank, all that goes out the window with someone who is brash, confrontational, and has said maybe 3 things that are HOT buttons for the Right. They see this guy as a 'Big Boy' unafraid to take on the same folks they wish they could. To them, almost everyone is a RINO, honestly. I read daily (where NTB used to be....ha) and those are true Right Wing guys, let me tell you. And for every candidate, they'll say something like "I like XYZ, but man, he's too soft on ABC, so I'm off him".

No one satisfies them. There isn't a 'Savior' for them like Obama was for the Left.

So they get behind the guy unafraid to put a Confederate Flag on the back of his Pickup and drive around the Square.

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 12:43 PM
And that's what is troubling Faux News. If this was CNN treating a Republican the way Trump was last night they'd be getting skewered by the Right.

BKB

Dick Morris (a joke, but a Clinton man before), said his assessment was that Fox News did all they could to belittle the "Right" in this show.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 12:55 PM
The talk of repealing Dodd-Frank is especially scary. Sure, lets go right back to the same shit that got us into the recession in the first place.

And Rubio was playing fast and loose with his facts on that too. Rubio is just another slicky boy.

I see the attraction to Cruz. He's well spoken, seems to have a good grasp on what the issues are and he actually has plans for a lot of the issues. My problem with him is his shutdown of the government, which is unconscionable on anyone's part, over not getting his way, and his pandering to the far right of the party. I know a lot of that is rhetoric, but he just comes off sounding crazy.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 01:00 PM
But we on the Far Right ARE Crazy (to you), but we get as many votes as you do! :)

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 01:03 PM
Yup. You do.

If I were you I'd push closing the government down then over Planned Parenthood funding based on those videos and fight hard as you can for extending retirement age, capping COLA for social security recipients, and move to push people off of SSI to private pension plans. I'd make that my platform (its Cruz's) and go for it!

And the one question I wanted to hear the moderators ask and wasn't asked of anyone was changing the lifetime appointments of the Supreme Court and have them be elected for retention by a vote. It was the first thing out of some of the candidates mouths when the Obamacare and Same Sex Marriage decisions came out. But Fox stayed away from it like it was the plague.

BKb

Hombre
08-07-2015, 01:10 PM
"and Rubio was playing fast and loose with his facts on that too. Rubio is just another slicky boy."

I know right, why do you think I like him so much. If you're going to debate, eventually, against a person (Hillary) who isn't limited by facts then you can't send an honest person to do it.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 01:14 PM
"and Rubio was playing fast and loose with his facts on that too. Rubio is just another slicky boy."

I know right, why do you think I like him so much. If you're going to debate, eventually, against a person (Hillary) who isn't limited by facts then you can't send an honest person to do it.

Rubio would be over his head against Hillary in a slap fight. His lies are too obvious. Hers aren't.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 01:14 PM
Yup. You do.

If I were you I'd push closing the government down then over Planned Parenthood funding based on those videos and fight hard as you can for extending retirement age, capping COLA for social security recipients, and move to push people off of SSI to private pension plans. I'd make that my platform (its Cruz's) and go for it!

And the one question I wanted to hear the moderators ask and wasn't asked of anyone was changing the lifetime appointments of the Supreme Court and have them be elected for retention by a vote. It was the first thing out of some of the candidates mouths when the Obamacare and Same Sex Marriage decisions came out. But Fox stayed away from it like it was the plague.

BKb

I've for all of that.

And I am NOT trying to be mean here, I swear!! And of course you get to have an opinion of these guys, naturally. NO problem. But it seems to me that you'll just vote for Hillary no matter who is the GOP guy, won't you? Julie'd cut your nuts off if you don't. So wouldn't you really want the craziest guy to emerge???

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 01:16 PM
Rubio would be over his head against Hillary in a slap fight. His lies are too obvious. Hers aren't.

BKB

See? What an amazingly, and I mean AMAZINGLY, biased statement. And 100% wrong.

LJ3
08-07-2015, 01:22 PM
I dunno Bucky. Hillary may not lie well, or maybe she does... but the fact is she gets away with whatever the hell she wants to. So the means don't matter if the end is the same. Which in her case, it always is.

Hombre
08-07-2015, 01:24 PM
Rubio would be over his head against Hillary in a slap fight. His lies are too obvious. Hers aren't.

BKB

I disagree. Hillary wears her emotion pretty openly when things don't go her way, and there's lots of ammunition to anger her with. The strategy for beating her in a debate is not difficult. A lot like a 3 year old. Fluster and antagonize until she starts getting frustrated where the true feelings bubble to the top.

Hombre
08-07-2015, 01:25 PM
I dunno Bucky. Hillary may not lie well, or maybe she does... but the fact is she gets away with whatever the hell she wants to. So the means don't matter if the end is the same. Which in her case, it always is.

Lets be honest they all get away with a lot of shit they shouldn't

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 01:26 PM
I dunno Bucky. Hillary may not lie well, or maybe she does... but the fact is she gets away with whatever the hell she wants to. So the means don't matter if the end is the same. Which in her case, it always is.

No, it won't be the case for her. That's my opinion.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 01:46 PM
Its biased of me to say Hillary is a better liar than Rubio? Are you from Planet Zenon? Which is this logic you claim to have?

Sorry, I almost wandered into DismissivenessLand. Which is a lot smaller than DismissivenessWorld.

Put me in the Don't want another Clinton or Bush camp. As of now, I'd vote for Bernie Sanders over any of the rubes on the debate floor last night and Hillary. The one possible exception might be Kasich or (outside chance) Rubio. Both I want to explore more and see how they fair. I don't hink Hillary is a lock for the Democratic nomination and I think, like Trump, Sanders could quite easily go independent. Hell he's 75% there already.

Obviously, I'm judging my choice by something different than purely along ideological lines. Tuis time I am thinking I will vote like I'm interviewing them for a job. So different values come into play and how close they track to my party's lines (Democrat, or Libtard if you prefer) aren't as important.
I'm sick of the status quo of how we elect people. My way may revolt you. But here's a hint. I don't give a rats ass if you do.

(Insert maniacal laughter soundtrack here)

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 01:51 PM
Well yes, I think it is. I think you will defend the Liberal at every turn if at all possible. That's just my opinion.

And I realize you'd vote for Sanders, and probably relish some scenario that will allow you to do so. You two are both Big Government Is The Solution guys. I get that.

If you can say that you are unbiased, and also say that you would vote for Sanders over any 'rube' you saw last night, then I can say that I'd vote for ANY 'rube' you saw last night before I'd vote for Clinton, and I'll move if Sanders is elected.

That is bias, sir. But I don't claim to be unbiased.

LJ3
08-07-2015, 01:55 PM
Eww, you want to explore Rubio? I mean, whatever melts your butter but the answer he gave about gayness last night had me believing he doesn't play for that team. Just sayin'.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 01:58 PM
Well yes, I think it is. I think you will defend the Liberal at every turn if at all possible. That's just my opinion.

And I realize you'd vote for Sanders, and probably relish some scenario that will allow you to do so. You two are both Big Government Is The Solution guys. I get that.

If you can say that you are unbiased, and also say that you would vote for Sanders over any 'rube' you saw last night, then I can say that I'd vote for ANY 'rube' you saw last night before I'd vote for Clinton, and I'll move if Sanders is elected.

That is bias, sir. But I don't claim to be unbiased.

Oh nononononononono, you ain't doing that shit. I freely admit I have a political bent that is biased to the liberal side. But YOU said my comment about Hillary being a better liar than Rubio was biased, which is ridiculous. And dismissed, here and now.

Talk to the hand, pal.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 02:03 PM
Whatever dude. I believe what I said. If you even had a .00001% valid view of Hillary you couldn't possibly think she has a better in the Liars Club on THIS planet. Period. And if you do think that, you have to be biased, there's no other explanation.

And I don't know what it is I do that you get so ticked off at, any more than you're doing, but ok. Let's talk about something else, whatever. But I know that lady and you're misguided at best, and your statement proves it. But my comment about your statement is very far from ridiculous.

BarryBobPosthole
08-07-2015, 02:08 PM
I'm not ticked off Mr Sensitive. I was making fun of you totally not even reading what I said. I said HILLARY WAS A BETTER LIAR.

BKB

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 02:12 PM
Oh.

Dang.

I'm going back to bed. Later guys.

Sigh.

Big Skyz
08-07-2015, 05:01 PM
When are you two idjits ever going to figure out that politics are something you two should never talk about? From the outside looking in you are both suckers for political bait.

Buckrub
08-07-2015, 05:03 PM
And many other things.

There is nothing on this earth that I should never talk about. Period. And the two things that matter most, Religion and Politics, are way up there in importance to me and thus that's what I want to talk about.

But that's just me.