Hey Buckster

[Captain]

Last year I "think" I talked you into planting some Australian winter peas.
How did they work for y'all?
It's so dry this year I may not even plant. Hopefully we will get some rain and season in the ground soon and I can plant mid to late September or early October.
This year I'm looking at a new winter pea called Lynx
It sound pretty good and might just give it a try.
It puts more nitrogen in the soil that the other.

http://smithseed.com/seed/covercrop/lynx.shtml

[No-till Boss]

The most improtant part right here : Always use a proper Rhizobium inoculant !

[Captain]

Without doubt. I alway use inoculate. Even when they say they are are pre-inoculated... That stuff is to cheap to skip that step.

[No-till Boss]

Without doubt. I alway use inoculate. Even when they say they are are ore inoculated... That stuff is to cheap to skip that step.

I think you got this !

[Captain]

I've planted winter peas for 20 years in the fall. But this new Lynx is suppose to be "sweeter" for wildlife. Might give them a go if I can find em'

[Chicken Dinner]

I think Matt shot his buck in one of those pea fields.

[Buckrub]

A few of them came up in spots. They were barely used. They came up in clover like tops, but not eaten much. The wheat and oats were eaten in spots, but even those weren't eaten a lot. They were 2.2X as expensive as wheat and oats........so I don't know if we'll go back to that. We're in middle of nowhere, on leased ground.......hard to lime, or fertilize, or water, etc. We're always hit and miss.

Good idea though.

Truthfully, I'm in the minority, and totally shouted down. We spend 20 days bush hogging, discing, planting, and I don't see the benefit. The whole southern part of state is in deer decline, and I'm sort of tired of working that hard in a good fishing month, for almost no benefit. But..........the rest of 'em demand that we try, they think it's all miracle stuff, so they (we) do it.

[Captain]

I think Matt shot his buck in one of those pea fields.
He did indeed.

[No-till Boss]

To me, when planting a cover crop/food plots there are two very important things to look at. First is the proper inoculant, secondly, making sure the seed that you're gonna plant comes from a location that in similar to yours. The vernalization traits can be as important as any.

[Captain]

I think Lime is more important than fertilizer and one of the main reasons people have limited success with food plots. Most folks want to plant and lay the fertilizer to the plot at planting. If the soil ph is not neutral the plant really does not get anything out of the fertilizer and the foliage is bitter to wildlife. And planting something like winter peas or clover you do not need any nitrogen in fertilizer if you use it. Those plants make there on. If you put out a fertilizer that does have nitrogen you are helping weeds compete with the legumes.

[No-till Boss]

I think Lime is more important than fertilizer and one of the main reasons people have limited success with food plots. Most folks want to plant and lay the fertilizer to the plot at planting. If the soil ph is not neutral the plant really does not get anything out of the fertilizer and the foliage is bitter to wildlife. And planting something like winter peas or clover you do not need any nitrogen in fertilizer if you use it. Those plants make there on. If you put out a fertilizer that does have nitrogen you are helping weeds compete with the legumes.

Another excellent tip !

[Buckrub]

Getting enough lime in the middle of nowhere, where a tractor has trouble getting to, is an issue. I know that.......but it's hard to do.

For SOME reason, the deer camp land............when we first started planting we used 10/10/10 and it didn't do much. One day a guy was told to bring a bag when he came. He bought the 'wrong' stuff, and got 19/19/19. We used it anyway, and that plot went insane. Like something on steroids. So that's what we used from then on, and it does wonders.

And that's ALL I know about that.

[No-till Boss]

They're exactly the same, just at different poundage .

[Buckrub]

I guess I don't understand.

If both are 50 lb bags, how is that?

[BarryBobPosthole]

If you have two 100 pound bags of fertilizer and one is made up of 10% (ie 10 pounds) bullshit and the other has 19% bullshit, and your goal is to put 30 pounds of bullshit on your plot, then how many bags of each mixture would you use?

Three of the first and a little more than one and a half of the second.

Its a story problem, see?

BKB

[No-till Boss]

The analyasis are the same. The only differece is, it would take almost two bags of 10-10-10 to equal 19-19-19 . Same stuff tho.

[HideHunter]

So - had you doubled the rate of 10-10-10 you should see the same results as with the 19..

[Buckrub]

Well that's what I thought. It's a percentage. NTB said poundage. Maybe a typo.

[Arty]

It's is pounds.... I believe 10-10-10 means 10 pounds of each (nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium) per 100 pounds.

Meaning a 100 pound bag 10-10-10 Only has 30 pounds of fertilizer in it.

The other 70 pounds is mouse shit and fairy dust

I think.
But what do I know

[Buckrub]

Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium (N,P,K) are what the numbers refer to. They are always listed in this order. It is the percentage within that package of each component. For example, a common type of all-purpose fertilizer is referred to as 10-10-10. This is a balanced blend of equal portions of Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium. If you purchased a 50-pound bag, five pounds (or 10%) would be Nitrogen, five pounds would be phosphorus, and five pounds would be potassium. The remaining 70% is simply filler, or inert ingredients, which are there mostly to help disperse the chemicals.

So, it is as I thought............19/19/19 has a higher percentage of fertilizer in a 50 lb bag than 10/10/10. The 19/19/19 only has 43% filler in a 50 lb bag.

Still, I'm sure lime would help a lot. But as I said, I'm sort of losing interest in this being a really meaningful thing to do. I go and help the guys cause they believe in it, but I don't see much deer difference in when we didn't do it.

[Big Muddy]

I have a lot better luck with this new variety of "GOLDEN ACORNS". ;)

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[Captain]

The other 70 pounds is mouse shit and fairy dust I think. But what do I know

Sand and sawdust now. Damn liberals made us quit using mouse shit and fairy dust... ;)

[Captain]

Use 0-25-25 on clover and winter peas....

[Captain]

I have a lot better luck with this new variety of "GOLDEN ACORNS". ;) <img src="http://www.goodhunting.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=5339"/>

True dat... :D

[No-till Boss]

That's the business I grew up in, we would sell between 10-14 thousand tons of fertilizer a year. But I'm sure some will still question me anyway . We were the largest independent fertilizer dealer in the State of Arkansas when we sold.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Not me. If there's one thing I know, its that you know your fertilizer.

Now where's the fucking boat pictures?

BKB

[Captain]

Does fertilizer have proper labels Posty? ;)

[BarryBobPosthole]

Prolly except for the mouse shit and fairy dust content. Those can't be measured in percents or pounds.

BKB

[No-till Boss]

Not me. If there's one thing I know, its that you know your fertilizer.

Now where's the fucking boat pictures?

BKB
I'll post some monday when I get home. Poor signal here !

[No-till Boss]

Don't get fooled into thinking there is only one way to make a grade or ratio . You can make any X-X-X and come up with different filler amounts and it is even possible to not even use any filler .

[BarryBobPosthole]

Okay, so obviously I need to learn something. I always thought the numbers were percentages, not ratios. Can you 'splain that in Okie?

[BarryBobPosthole]

And for Captain....

BKB


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[Buckrub]

I know nuthing.

Big fertilizer works on redneck dumbass ignorant food plots when the numbers are bigger than other numbers.

The end.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Transport some of your chicken poop over there from northwest Arkansas and use it on your food plots instead of putting it in our rivers whydontcha?

BKB

[Buckrub]

Too far a drive. You're closer than they are.

[No-till Boss]

Okay, so obviously I need to learn something. I always thought the numbers were percentages, not ratios. Can you 'splain that in Okie?

You're not wrong, we call them units instead of % . Ratio is just the 13-13-13 .

Example, I use 150 unit of 46-0-0 in a crop year on rice, and that is equal to 326lbs of urea .

[Buckrub]

Okay, so obviously I need to learn something. I always thought the numbers were percentages, not ratios. Can you 'splain that in Okie?

See post #20, dingbat.

[No-till Boss]

Transport some of your chicken poop over there from northwest Arkansas and use it on your food plots instead of putting it in our rivers whydontcha?

BKB

It was Oklahoma that filed the lawsuit on chicken litter, not Arkansas .

[BarryBobPosthole]

Yup.

Okay, I think I get it.

Gracias, amigo.

BKB

[Buckrub]

Por forvor silvous plait mon cheri
and buenos noches

[Arty]

Por forvor silvous plait mon cheri and buenos noches
And quesadilla!

[quercus alba]

Captain, instead of food plots why don't you just fill up a number 3 washtub with water and hunt over it. Might be more effective

[Big Muddy]

And for Captain....

BKB


Man, don't be screwing around with my day'um Spamburgers!!! ;)

[BarryBobPosthole]

I'm a Spam lover too. A fried spam Sammie with a big slice of mater and sweet onion is sbout as good as it gets?

BKB

[Captain]

Captain, instead of food plots why don't you just fill up a number 3 washtub with water and hunt over it. Might be more effective

Amen!

[Thumper]

Lynn makes some killer fried Spam. We eat the heck out of it when in Hawaii!

[BarryBobPosthole]

When I was in the Air Force and lived off base in a little duplex we used to put cloves in a loaf of Spam and bake it in the oven with a glaze liked it was a ham.

I gotta say it was pretty damned good!

BKB

[Captain]

Lynn makes some killer fried Spam. We eat the heck out of it when in Hawaii!

Is Hawaii the only place she can make it killer? Is it not killer at home? Or can you only buy it in Hawaii?

[Thumper]

Do you have your stool handy? If not, I'll wait. :moon

[BarryBobPosthole]

I always called the jelly stuff on it 'spamatezoa'.

BKB

[johnboy]

Yuck but appropriate.:toothy