Man! Did somebody pull the plug on this joint?

[Thumper]

Talk about dead! I guess P-hole is "attempting" to catch fish and Bucky is watching his cohorts plant worthless food plots at their camp. That makes for some "quiet time" around here! :D

I'm plugging away on eBay trying to eke out a bit of supplemental income and trying to finish up in time to catch the debate tonight. I'm sorry, but I love a circus and can't wait to hear Trump step on his dick 10 or 12 times and watch his ratings shoot up even higher tomorrow. He needs to be re-named Teflon! ;)

Anyway, not too many of you seem all that interested at this point ... but I'm looking forward to some entertainment tonight!

[Arty]

It's a full time job being me. Just ask anyone.
I've been lurkin more than postin but you are right it's pretty dead.

[LJ3]

Deader'n Jimmy's sex life.

[Nandy]

It's a full time job being me. Just ask anyone.


But does it pays good!!??

[Buckrub]

This isn't a debate. What it IS, is silliness. Without a gun to my head, I won't watch.

[Thumper]

Watched the whole thing from beginning to end. It started out a bit silly and nasty (like a couple of teen aged girls scratching and pulling hair), but it finally settled down to a semblance of seriousness. I can't say I'm any better off after watching it and after all was said and done, I wish I'd have watched Mike & Frank on American Pickers instead.

I do have to admit ... I got a little more insight into some of the others (besides Trump) ... but nobody stands out as a front-runner yet.

[Captain]

Man I've been covered at work and the farm, and trying to get a little hunting in. We actually had a little cool snap in the mornings that have made things nice. Now if only we could get some rain, I'd put in some food plots.
The debates at this point offer me no interest....
If elections were held today I'd vote for Trump just because ANYTHING would be better than Billary......

[Fido]

Got my food plots in last wednesday, got 5/8ths inch of rain that evening and another inch saturday. Seems like every seed germinated and is looking beeeeeeutiful which is a lot better than last year when it stayed dry for a long time. Was most disappointed in my governor's response too the Iran situation when he said he would wait too see how things were developing before he would take action.

[Chicken Dinner]

I watched until about 10pm. If the primary tomorrow, I'd be checking the Fiorina box. Trump mostly came across as a pompous blow hard with no specifics on how he would accomplish anything. What was up with Cruz and the way he kept saying "Khomeini" and looking creepily at the camera? It's even funnier than Bush I and "Saddam". Bush III just seemed too vanilla. I thought Rubio, Christie and Kasich did well enough for me to want to learn more.

[LJ3]

I think the clock is officially ticking down on Trump now. Someone woke Jeb up, apparently.

When I watch something like this my mind wanders to the coaching and practice sessions with their respective handlers that occurred before the debate.

"No Jeb, more awake... give me wider open eyes... now point your finger!"
"Cruz, look for the blinking light on the cameras, look in to that one and give me 'the look'...No, not that look, yeah that one!"
"Donald, stop doing that with your lips for fucks sake!"

[No-till Boss]

If the primary tomorrow, I'd be checking the Fiorina box. .

She laid off 30k workers when she ran HP into the ground and collected 21 million dollar severence package . Do the U.S. and favor and tear up your voting card .

[Chicken Dinner]

How's that compare with Trump's multiple bankruptcies? I will say that my opinion is based solely on debate performance. Obviously, the primary is not tomorrow and a lot more will go into my decision than how anyone did in a debate.

[No-till Boss]

You do know that Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy don't you ?

[Chicken Dinner]

Yes, but he's been close and he's certainly lost a lot of other people's money through at least four corporate bankruptcies. Neither Fiorina nor any of the other candidates have declared personal bankruptcy either. What's your point?

[Captain]

You know if the election was today I'd HAVE to vote for Trump if he was against Hillary, that said I will also say I cannot STAND the way he looks like a spoiled kid and has a sour look on his face. He just looks (to me) like HE thinks "I said it so it should not be questioned" I DO like the fact he is wealthy and secure enough to say what he wants, and to hell with the cookie cutter politician answer. I just wish he would say it in a less condensing way...

[DeputyDog]

Are you talking about Trump or the current President?

[Captain]

Are you talking about Trump or the current President?

Good point

[Chicken Dinner]

I DO like the fact he is wealthy and secure enough to say what he wants, and to hell with the cookie cutter politician answer. I just wish he would say it in a less condensing way...

Agreed. I also just wish he had something to say. His lack of any kind of any specific policy details was totally exposed last night.

[Arty]

Agreed. I also just wish he had something to say. His lack of any kind of any specific policy details was totally exposed last night.
Agree with you there. Nearly Every question that was raised to him, he basically ignored and took a personal shot at one of the other candidates.

His opening remarks about Rand Paul was quite a start to the debate.

I'll vote for him against Hillary. But I won't be all that happy about it

[Thumper]

Here's my take on Trump. I can't even imagine him in the White House and I agree, whenever he's asked for details on HOW he's going to do something, he dances around the issue and never really gives an answer. Or he says he's working on a plan right now and will be releasing the details in (fill in number of days here). When asked things like how he'd handle someone like Putin ... his answer is, "Putin would LOVE me, I think we'd get along great ... he'd LOVE me!" WTF?? Yeah, that should work! He's a pompous ass in a BIG way, but people go crazy over him because he's a circus show and will say what they've been THINKING and would LOVE to say, but haven't the balls to do so. I can "think" Fiorina has a mule face, but I'd never in a million years say it out loud ... at least not in a public arena or to her face. Trump will do it at the drop of a hat (and DID!). Some people respect that, but it's just not the way civilized humans act for the most part. We may THINK it, but we keep it to ourselves out of common decency and general good manners. Right or wrong ... I'm not really sure. I suppose that could be considered "political correctness" in a way. And people are sick and tired of "political correctness".

That said, the only thing in the back of my mind is this. I picture Trump as an ass who will always demand things be done HIS way ... much like a spoiled little brat. BUT ... and this is a BIG but and something to consider ... who's running his multi-billion dollar empire while he's out campaigning? Obviously he knows how to put the right people in the right places AND has no problem delegating. In my own, personal career, I took a management course (one of many actually) and one of the main things I concentrated on was allowing myself to delegate. I always thought if I wanted it done right, I had to do it myself. It was VERY hard for me to learn to hire good, trusted employees and allow them to make decisions and carry out tasks that I felt only I could do correctly.

You can't expect the President to know everything and the best way to carry out certain tasks. He's not God and in a way, he's a figurehead. If Trump can hit the campaign trail and dedicate 100% of his time to the endeavor, all the while leaving his empire up to his management team to run, don't you think he'd be able to put together a good Cabinet and surround himself with professional advisers ... AND let THEM do their jobs? We haven't really WON a war since the WWII if you really think about it. Why? Because all of a sudden, politicians started controlling our wars from some plush office in Washington. The Generals and the men fighting always have one hand tied behind their backs. I KNOW ... I've been a part of that and actually LIVED it during 'Nam. I envision Trump letting his Generals run our wars and he'd be telling them he'd get them whatever they needed to get the job done ... if they ask for it ... he'll GET IT FOR THEM!

As for bankruptcies, he's never filed personal bankruptcy. He has used his brain and his business sense to bankrupt certain of his properties. Hey, how many thousands of people lost their homes and/or businesses when the economy tanked? He had casinos that were drying up on the vine. Who the hell could afford to go to Jersey and gamble when their own business was on the skids and they were fighting to keep a roof over their heads? He was smart enough to pull the plugs when they needed to be pulled, instead of dumping good money into a bottomless pit. There's nothing illegal about it and it's a business move used every day. Sometimes a business can't exist as it stands and needs to be restructured ... or plowed under. It's life, live with it. As a side note, I once worked for a multi-millionaire in Beverly Hills. I was sitting in his office one day and we were just discussing a future business venture. I made a comment about how it really took a set of balls to do what he was considering. He looked me square in the eye and told me he'd been bankrupt twice in his lifetime. He then told me he knew almost every millionaire in Beverly Hills (and he really did) and he couldn't name ONE who had not filed bankruptcy at least once in their lifetimes. He went on to explain a successful businessman has to take risks to get ahead ... it's many times a gamble and you just have to try to weigh the risks against the rewards. NOBODY can hit it 100% of the time and sometimes it bites you in the ass. BUT .... success is measured with how well you recover after picking yourself up off the ground and dusting yourself off. To be honest, the guy was a total asshole ... but I always respected and admired his "business sense".

I wish I had a crystal ball to look into the future. On one hand, I'd really like to see what that Trump nutbag could pull off. On the other hand, he scares me and is actually an embarrassment in a lot of ways. But NOTHING and NOBODY could be worse or more of an embarrassment than what we have right now.

[LJ3]

Delegate, dufus... delegate.

You are designatedly old :)

I agree with the thought that he knows business and is smart enough to get things done. I think much of his bravado is just the usual bluster he generated to "bring in to" a deal he had to make.

Still, unless we had an eject button to get his ass out of the office within 30 days, I'm not sure I want him anywhere near the oval office.

[Buckrub]

CD's opinion is........interesting. I'm not in love with Trump.......but the one thing I see others liking about him is his directness, and actual plans, not just platitudes. He is the only candidate.......maybe EVER........that says actual plans. For example:

Bush: "America needs to come together and work for a common purpose going forward".

So, Jeb...........what do I do? Specifically, what do you want ME to do about that? It's just b/s talk.

Trump: "We will build a wall X high and Y long from Point A to Point B, and secure out borders totally". Agree or not, this is a concrete proposal, with measurable objectives, and talks to an issue on the mind of every white american male, and tons of others!

I see a huge difference.

[Buckrub]

Delegate, dufus... delegate.

You are designatedly old :)

I agree with the thought that he knows business and is smart enough to get things done. I think much of his bravado is just the usual bluster he generated to "bring in to" a deal he had to make.

Still, unless we had an eject button to get his ass out of the office within 30 days, I'm not sure I want him anywhere near the oval office.

OK, you can have Hillary there, then.

The oval office is actually not the problem, but it's 99% of what we discuss. The problem is Congress. But we never talk about them.

[LJ3]

I would go with Trump over Hillary, definitely. Biden? Not sure sure I'd go for Trump.

[Buckrub]

Then we must part ways forever. Adios my dear friend. It is with sadness that I leave you.

[LJ3]

Uncle Joe is like a drunk uncle. You never know what will spew forth from his ample pie hole! If we'd consider Trump in office, is your drunk uncle really that much of a departure?

[Hombre]

I can't say anything about Trump that hasn't already been said. He's refreshing that he speaks un-PC, but that's where it ends. Beyond his straight talk he doesn't seem to have any substance. It was a good way to start the race but we're at the point now the answers need to have details. His answers do not.

At this point I would probably vote for a Rubio / Carly ticket. I'm with CD on this where I thought Carly came across very well. The fact that she laid off 30K people really doesn't sway me. At least it doesn't sway me anymore than Trump laying people off and taking businesses through Bankruptcy.

[Buckrub]

Carly was a total incompetent boob at HP. I've seen her style at........um.........the company at which I was previously employed. I wouldn't vote for her if you paid me a dollar.

And boy, I need a dollar.

What they do in a "Group Interview" (that's what this is.........it is NOT a debate.......and it's almost meaningless)........is immaterial. Who I envision sitting in that chair, daily, and holding press conferences.........and working with Congress..........that's how I vote.

Leads me to Carson every time. His choice of running mate could really enhance him, too.

[Thumper]

Delegate, dufus... delegate.

You are designatedly old :)

Ha ha ha! You're totally correct. Every time I wrote that word, something kept telling me it was incorrect ... but for the life of me the proper word escaped me and I kept drawing a blank. A total senior moment! ;)

Thanks ... I feel better now. :D

[Hombre]

I like Carson too. Rubio, Carley, Carson are all I'm watching.

[Hombre]

One more thing I'll vote for anyone who would

1) Institute a flat tax simplifying the tax code
2) Return majority rights to states - thinking that every state should act the same is ridiculous both (Financially (mimimum wage) and culturally)
3) Return SS to SS and not a ponzi scheme to pull money from
4) Ensure government assistance programs are designed as short-term assistance and not long-term crutches

These are probably my top 5 issues. The Iran deal scares me but honestly I've only heard the talking points on it not really read. If we truly are allowing self inspection and returning $120B that would be up there too....just not as educated on that.

[Arty]

Is it bad to say that I am pulling for the person that could beat Hillary? Really that's what it all boils down to for me.

[Nandy]

One more thing I'll vote for anyone who would

1) Institute a flat tax simplifying the tax code
2) Return majority rights to states - thinking that every state should act the same is ridiculous both (Financially (mimimum wage) and culturally)
3) Return SS to SS and not a ponzi scheme to pull money from
4) Ensure government assistance programs are designed as short-term assistance and not long-term crutches

These are probably my top 5 issues. The Iran deal scares me but honestly I've only heard the talking points on it not really read. If we truly are allowing self inspection and returning $120B that would be up there too....just not as educated on that.

Those are only 4, but I like the way you think...

[Arty]

One more thing I'll vote for anyone who would 1) Institute a flat tax simplifying the tax code 2) Return majority rights to states - thinking that every state should act the same is ridiculous both (Financially (mimimum wage) and culturally) 3) Return SS to SS and not a ponzi scheme to pull money from 4) Ensure government assistance programs are designed as short-term assistance and not long-term crutches These are probably my top 5 issues. The Iran deal scares me but honestly I've only heard the talking points on it not really read. If we truly are allowing self inspection and returning $120B that would be up there too....just not as educated on that.

Other than me being able to count to 5 ... :)

We are both on the exact same page.

[Chicken Dinner]

Trump: "We will build a wall X high and Y long from Point A to Point B, and secure out borders totally". Agree or not, this is a concrete proposal, with measurable objectives, and talks to an issue on the mind of every white american male, and tons of others! I see a huge difference.

Interesting as well. You pick the one semi-concrete proposal he's come up with. Of course, when pressed for details on how we'll pay for it, how long it will take or how we'll round up all the illegals and deport them he has nothing. Or, worse yet, he spews nonsense about making Mexico pay for it or he's got people who will figure that all out.

[No-till Boss]

Yes, but he's been close and he's certainly lost a lot of other people's money through at least four corporate bankruptcies. Neither Fiorina nor any of the other candidates have declared personal bankruptcy either. What's your point?

You're the one who brought up bankruptcy, I figured after your affirmation for the loser women I should make sure you knew..... By the way Trump is worth 3 BILLION and I seriously doubt you knowing if he was actually personally close or not.

[Chicken Dinner]

Before we continue, did you even watch the debate?

[No-till Boss]

SO should I list a criteria for you to meet now, or just answer your question first ?

[Chicken Dinner]

No, I'm done playing for tonight. There's football to watch.

[HideHunter]

I'll check in - but - I'll be a bit covered up for the next 6 weeks, or so. Started combining yesterday.. 12 hrs a day - 6 days a week.. and I'm supposed to be "retired". ;)

[No-till Boss]

I've been doing 9 hours in the combine cab myself .....

[Buckrub]

Interesting as well. You pick the one semi-concrete proposal he's come up with. Of course, when pressed for details on how we'll pay for it, how long it will take or how we'll round up all the illegals and deport them he has nothing. Or, worse yet, he spews nonsense about making Mexico pay for it or he's got people who will figure that all out.

Well no.......he doesn't have 'nothing' on that. He said he'd withhold $280M in current aid to Mexico, and use that to build the wall. Seems specific to me.

But there are things he's as vague on as anyone else. That does not obviate the fact that the others have no measurable proposals at all.......not even one. I might be wrong, I'm not paying a LOT of attention, I admit! There's 400 days to go, and what happens now won't even be remembered Nov, 2016.

No matter what, Trump has changed the rules and is different. I've long advocated the need for the Chaos Party if we're to ever change anything. He apparently has invented it. Well, I invented it, but hey........the only BILLION I got, is debt! :)

[No-till Boss]

I don't think Trump avoids questions as much as he just refuses to be trapped by stupid one's. Or that's the way I take it.

[Buckrub]

I'm not convinced anyone here or on TV has correctly categorized him yet.

[HideHunter]

I've been doing 9 hours in the combine cab myself .....

Just had a little rain hitting the window and lightning in the west. May have a day off already..

[No-till Boss]

Just had a little rain hitting the window and lightning in the west. May have a day off already..

I'm hoping for no rain the next week, I need to miss one this year....

[Chicken Dinner]

I'm really not looking to pick a fight here. Other than no to the Donald (who I will freely admit I've despised long before he ever ran for President), I haven't come close to deciding who to vote for. It does frustrate me that here we are 4-5 months before the first primary and 14 months before the election so many folks seem to be jumping on the Trump bandwagon mostly it seems because they think he can beat Hilary (and he's an asshole who says whatever the help pops into his head) when Hilary is imploding and may not even be the candidate.

[Buckrub]

Oh Hank. I wouldn't fight you over much of anything!!! Between you and Herb (since Cliffie left), I bow my head and am VERY reticent and humbled when I read either your or his posts. I yell total b/s in my posts, then you two guys correct me, and I try to re-think.

I gotta admit, he's one of the last humans I would have thought of running for President........as of last year. But now, whoever he is, I think I realize what buttons he's pushing on everyone. Ain't you never be'd a Redneck, boy?? If'n you wuz a good Redneck like us Southern Folk.......you'd know how frustrating your world has become, and how this one guy is the SOLE spokesman even coming close to saying what you wanna hear! And he's not even close. It's WAY more 'red' than even he says. He's WAY too Liberal, but he's loud and partly right, and By Gum, for now that's enough.

Here's the thing that makes me laugh...........in a snorty sort of non-humor way..........

ONE of these idjits is GOING to be President of these here Non-United States!

[Buckrub]

Oh.........and I tell you what I really listen for. My 'deer ears' are turning and perked ready to hear this kind of thing. It's one of the only reasons I pay attention to what they say:

If a Candidate (for any office, but especially POTUS) proclaims he WILL do X and Y when X and Y are clearly outside his legal and Constitutional purview, at that point I make a very dark and clear negative check mark against him. If he says "I think WE ought to do X and Y", that's different. Then I know his opinion on the matter. But if he says he WILL accomplish this or that, but he can't, then I know what I'm dealing with.

The biggest one of these is the Tax Code. If a Candidate says he WILL reform it, WILL abolish it and start over, WILL implement a radically new way of taxation (e.g., Flat Tax), then he's an idiot. Only Congress can do that.

[Chicken Dinner]

You're way too kind. Herb and Chilly Willy are the smart guys around here. I wish they'd post more. Me, I haven't got the time or inclination to follow national politics like I did when I was a younger man. Trust me when I say I'm just a big ol' country boy at heart and most of the folks I run into on a day to day basis consider me their token right-wing gun nut friend. I do have the benefit (or curse?) of some insight into what or how the other half thinks due to that exposure. I get the frustration that leads people to Trump. Really. I just think he's a false prophet and will set us back 20 years in the search for the Answer. He's no second coming of Ronald Reagan and that's what I'm looking for.

[Buckrub]

Then you'll have to persuade Cappy to run.

[Chicken Dinner]

Maybe we can talk him into it while he's doped up on his pain meds from surgery.

[Thumper]

Just what we need in office after Obama ... a doped up dope! ;)

[Captain]

Bite me Thumper, I could do a better job with half my brain tied behind my back....

[Thumper]

HALF your brain???? I won't bring rope ... I'll bring thread! ;)

[Buckrub]

WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT SURGERY CAPPY HAD????????????? GOOD GRACIOUS.

[Thumper]

It's a secret. Only Facebook users are allowed to know. ;)

[Buckrub]

Oh.

So it was NOT brain surgery then..............

ok.

[Thumper]

Silly! How could one operate on something that does not exist? ;)

[Buckrub]

??????????????

I thought they worked on your heart???????????

[Captain]

WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT SURGERY CAPPY HAD????????????? GOOD GRACIOUS.

And you say others don't read.... I posted in the Trav thread... About 2 hours ago.
Nap time!

[Thumper]

??????????????

I thought they worked on your heart???????????

Naaa, it was my thoracic aorta actually. ;)

[Buckrub]

Sorry. I'm reading only a few posts today. Two trips to bank, three trips to Social Security Office, four trips next door. I'm on half-brain.

I'll find it.

Just giving Thump fits here........as I'm able.

[Buckrub]

Well, I apologize for apologizing.

I read the "Good luck Trav" post and still don't see it.

Never mind. I'll ask a Facebook addict.

[Thumper]

Ha! Me? Fits? NOTHING fits me anymore! :D

That reminds me, Lynn asked me to go to the store. Fried chicken tonight! Ya' think I'll find the chicken in the cookie aisle?

Tell Cappy not to be doing any heavy lifting. He shouldn't really have a problem, but when I had my hernia operation, the doc told me I needed to sit down to pee 'cause he didn't want me lifting any heavy loads. :D

Later dufe ... on my way to the store!

[Thumper]

Well, I apologize for apologizing.

I read the "Good luck Trav" post and still don't see it.

Never mind. I'll ask a Facebook addict.

Dufus! Look at the FIRST word in Cappy's post with Sarah's pics. Sheeesh! ;)

[Captain]

Hernia... Bad Ju-Ju. Home, hurting Bite me Arty, CD and Thump... Sarah knows the truth. <img src="http://www.goodhunting.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=5633"/> <img src="http://www.goodhunting.info/attachment.php?attachmentid=5634"/>

You can lead a horse to water...
Someone remind him of this post when he claims someone else don't read....

[Buckrub]

Oh.

Well, I apologize for apologizing for my apology. I see it now.

I need to do serial, one-at-a-time tasks. Today my head is about to explode.

Get well, Cappy! Chad had that in June. He's still fat and ugly........but doing fine.

[Herb2]

And you say others don't read.... I posted in the Trav thread... About 2 hours ago.
Nap time!


When you wake up, I hope everything went OK.

[Big Muddy]

For some reason, every time I watch that movie, "Revenge", Ignacio(John Leguizamo) reminds me of Cap....in the movie, Amador(Miguel Ferrer) refers to him as, "One tough little son-of-a-b**ch."


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[Buckrub]

Hey, Chicken Parts..........here's some pretty plain language specifics on at least one Trump topic.........for your leisure reading:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

[Thumper]

For some reason, every time I watch that movie, "Revenge", Ignacio(John Leguizamo) reminds me of Cap....in the movie, Amador(Miguel Ferrer) refers to him as, "One tough little son-of-a-b**ch."


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Well, I don't know about the "tough" part ... but the rest is spot on! ;)

[Captain]

Well, I don't know about the "tough" part ... but the rest is spot on! ;)

Bite me Thumper.
Been up since 3:30AM had an operation and still did more today by accident than you did on purpose. ;)

[Thumper]

Taking naps doesn't count! ;)