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Big Muddy
09-22-2015, 09:28 PM
Got this in an email from an Army buddy, but he didn't mention the author's name, and I couldn't find out on Google.....maybe some of you dufes have read it, previously, and know who penned it.....good stuff from an "insider" military man.

"Down goes Frazier! , Down goes Frazier! , Down goes Frazier!", screamed Howard Cosell when undisputed world heavyweight champion Joe Frazier (29-0) was knocked down in the opening round of the championship fight against George Forman(37-0) in Jamaica in January 1973. It was great stuff. I heard it live over the Armed Forces Radio Network and never forgot it.
I was a senior in high school, in Clark Air Base, the Philippines. Chasing girls and playing hoops were my passions but I also devoted hundreds of hours playing cards after school and on weekends. It rains a lot in the PI, so we played lots of cards because whenever it rained the outdoor courts were closed. I was average at basketball, pretty good at chasing girls, but became a very good poker player.

You learn a lot about human nature in a poker game. Someone once said "a poker game is the world in miniature." You have sharks, pigeons, winners, losers, hard guys, softies, bullshitters, cool cats, bad apples, and a window into human psychology that's hard to beat.

Between my high school days and now, August 2015, I served 27 years as a naval officer: ten years of sea duty aboard 6 ships, assigned to the Pentagon (Joint Chiefs of Staff), naval attaché for Naval Intelligence and the Defense Intelligence Agency, and assigned to four US embassies in Germany, Chile, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. Those embassy assignments allowed very close, daily contact with senior US military "flag" officers, many foreign diplomats, US State Department Foreign Service officers, four US ambassadors and their staffs. I was granted a TS clearance in 1996 after enduring multi-hour polygraph exams and exhaustive background investigations and I had "unlimited access" to lots of interesting information while I served abroad from 1996-2006.

I reveal a portion of my biography, dating back to high school, to establish my bona fides. I should also mention I was a bartender while attending college at the University of South Carolina, owned a limo service called Help Send a Boy Through School, Rent the Rolls Tonight, and managed a discotheque for one year after graduation and before receiving my officer's commission in 1979. I have been around the block.

So allow me, a still savvy, aging poker player to tell you why I'd bet the farm Hillary Clinton is going down harder than Smokin' Joe Frazier did in back in '73. And it's a lock.

Those recently revealed classified e-mails or data on Hillary's special home server is the tip of the iceberg. The e-mails which were (reportedly) marked with the TS, TK, SCI caveats are important but it's the trove of deleted e-mails that refer to Benghazi, Libya, solicitations to foreign governments for the Clinton Foundation, missing billions from State coffers, and other shady deals that she's sweating bullets over.
You see, every Vegas sharpie knows the old mantra, "Friends close, enemies closer". Valerie Jarrett, with Barack Obama's consent (and not the other way around) picked Hillary to be Secretary of State for the same reason they picked General David Petraeus to be CIA chief: Better to bring them into the inner circle where you're able to "manage" and can watch them, than allow them to strengthen their individual hands as future political adversaries. In casino operations lingo, Valerie Jarret is a whale: a very heavy, always silent, majority stakeholder partner. She has Secret Service protection and a seat at every policy meeting including NSC meetings. Obama is like a GM, an eloquent spokesman in charge of PR. Petraeus would be head of security. Obama and the Clinton's publicly tolerate each other but you can bet your bottom Benjamin he despises them both. I am certain both Clintons and General Petraeus really, truly despise Obama

General Petraeus' life was shattered and the timing of his demise was telling: as CIA chief he was in a singular position to credibly refute, and permanently damage the White House Benghazi narrative. Recall the Benghazi, 13 hour siege occurred September 11-12, 2012. General Petraeus resigned in November 2012. Unknown to Petraeus, U.S. Army reserve Lieutenant Colonel Paula Broadwell, his biographer and lover, was Obama's ace in the hole. The knowledge that she was his mistress was tucked away in one of those red aluminum "Break In Case Of Emergency" boxes. There were lots of people who suspected the general was banging Broadwell while he was still on active duty, but why deal that ace off the bottom until you need it? His eventual $ 100,000 fine and two years' probation for "improperly handling classified information" was to ensure he would never share with anyone what he knew about the Benghazi attack, the operations of the CIA compound there, the weapons flow to Syria via Turkey, etc. So they grabbed the little red hammer on the chain, broke the glass, revealed the affair, and then told the general: "Sing and you'll be going to Leavenworth." He was prosecuted to silence him pure and simple. Please also note that the judgement against him was announced less than 4 months ago: April 23, 2015. That's a classic case of "the process being the penalty". He was iced for 2 ½ years.

Hillary will be the next mark. Does anyone seriously believe VJ or Obama really wants Hillary to succeed him? He offered her the Sec State job to keep her on a short leash and to be both beholden and accountable to him. If Obama was serious about his nomination for the critically important job as America's top diplomat there were more qualified, more experienced, more respected pros out there. She was a disaster. No foreign language skills, no credibility, no overseas experience, no talent and very little ambition.

Now, Attorney General Loretta Lynch and the Department of "Just Us" and VJ at the White Hut have to make sure that whatever Hillary has on Obama, especially regards Benghazi, never sees the light of day. So, they'll prosecute her on the mishandling national security "products" to prevent her from publicly revealing the e-mails and spilling what she knows with the same promise to her that Petraeus got: "Accept a fine and probation and you'll avoid jail time". Many underlings will, I guarantee you, walk the plank.

Alternate scenario is that she'll be merely threatened with prosecution, wise up, cease her presidential aspirations and walk away, with Obama providing appropriate "executive privilege" cover. Hillary actually has decent cards. Even though you can be sure Bill is coaching her on how to play this hand, never underestimate the predictability of a rigged game. The House never loses. Ever. The GM can just order his dealers to deal off the bottom, deal seconds, mark cards, and do whatever it takes to "win".

Like Joe Frazier, Hillary's proven she can take a punch and also defend against a flurry of jabs, uppercuts and hooks. It was a left cross he never saw coming that ended Joe Frazier's perfect record in 1973. And like Smokin' Joe, Hillary is going to drop like a bag of wet cement when the "Left cross" connects in 2015.

Thumper
09-23-2015, 12:25 AM
Yep, I received that in an email also ... it's been making the rounds in a bazillion political blogs all over the net. NONE of them mention the author's name which is a bit odd, but who knows?

I tried to dissect the story and there's one thing that really caught my eye and jumped out at me.


I was granted a TS clearance in 1996 after enduring multi-hour polygraph exams and exhaustive background investigations and I had "unlimited access" to lots of interesting information while I served abroad from 1996-2006.

I don't know of a whole lot of people who have "unlimited access". I had what was called a Top Secret Crypto clearance back in the day. It was supposedly a step above TS, but I believe TS is "officially" the highest clearance there is. I'm not sure "Crypto" still exists, but they have some designations like SCI and SAP these days that are tacked on to some TS designations. Even with all of these clearances/designations, there's a thing called "need to know" which pretty much throws "unlimited access" out the door. I had the top clearance that existed back in the day, but I didn't have "unlimited access" and was restricted by the "need to know" clause.

Just sayin'.

But then, I'm also a dinosaur, and some things may have changed over the years ... but that "unlimited" thing sounds like b/s to me.

Big Muddy
09-23-2015, 08:38 AM
Well, whoever wrote it has an in-depth knowledge about the under-handed tactics of the current administration.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 08:40 AM
The clearance sounds like a bunch of bragging to me. I had a Top Secret/BI clearance as well and as anybody who worked around sensitive information can tell you, the clearance itself doesn't get you access to boo. There's no such thing as 'unlimited access'. You have to have clearance + a demonstrable need to know. And there were no polygraphs involved, period.
Regardless, there won't be a prosecution of anyone because there's been no breach of security. There's been IG reports of misclassification issues of information, but the only reports of security breaches have been the ones claimed by 'unnamed sources' and other drivel from the group Judicial Watch that is doing most of the FOIA requests on those emails. You actually think the miniature asshole Gowdy would keep quiet if they'd found something in those emails?

And the notion Petreaus was 'iced' is laughable.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 09:56 AM
I'm not disagreeing on your general BS call. However, both my Mother and Step-father worked for DIA and had high level security clearances. (Him after he retired from active duty.) I think it was every other year or so they had to take a polygraph. It was evidently very long and very personal.

LJ3
09-23-2015, 10:08 AM
Polygraphs are a very real part of it depending on your level of access. They have a bazillion different types of TS/SCI now. They're all basically silos of information you may have access to. If you're in an IT role, it is very possible you have access to a very wide range of information.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 10:20 AM
There may be polygraph involved at some levels, but it wasn't in mine. What I mainly call bullshit on is the 'unlimited access' part. That didn't exist then and it doesn't now.
And saying that's how he knows what he claims to know is, well, laughable.

BKB

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 10:24 AM
Word.

LJ3
09-23-2015, 10:29 AM
agree with BS on unlimited access. There ARE IT positions where the range of access could be so plentiful as to be halfway accurately described as really a shit ton of data :)

if you were an exchange administrator, for example at the state department. You have access to every single message in and out of the entire state department.

Captain
09-23-2015, 10:32 AM
if you were an exchange administrator, for example at the state department. You have access to every single message in and out of the entire state department.

And Hilary's private server. :D

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 10:35 AM
Then I reckon we'll see Hillary and a bunch of people exposed and prosecuted for breaches of classified information that according to this guy exists somewhere in 'a trove of emails'.

And yet it never strikes anyone as odd that people that actually have these clearances can find nothing, yet unnamed people with dubious access know all about it. Funny how that happens.

bKB

Captain
09-23-2015, 10:40 AM
Not funny at all. It's only funny if it's against someone agenda.

LJ3
09-23-2015, 10:49 AM
Then I reckon we'll see Hillary and a bunch of people exposed and prosecuted for breaches of classified information that according to this guy exists somewhere in 'a trove of emails'.

And yet it never strikes anyone as odd that people that actually have these clearances can find nothing, yet unnamed people with dubious access know all about it. Funny how that happens.

bKB

I'm not disagreeing with your BS alarm. Just saying from a technical perspective, there exist positions that would have access to all messages. Email architectures still use monolithic storage architectures where multiple copies of the same 'mail store' exist in different locations and there are multiple technical roles that would have access in order to deliver that technical service.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 11:01 AM
Petreaus was found with eight binders of highly classified information that he admittedly shared with his biographer. The FBI by the way, found those binders in an unlocked drawer in his home. There's no secret agenda there, no 'icing' of the guy for political reasons. And the only reason he's in recent news is when he did his public mea culpa for that he also shared his political views on US middle eastern foriegn policy. And his views fit FoxNews' own agenda where that is concerned. That agenda would be 'we aren't fighting a war in Syria so we're doomed to fail' in case you need to know. (pun intended)

As for Hillary, there's not been one bit of classified information that has been breached. The only thing that's been brought into question is the whole classification process used by different agencies.

Yeah, there's an agenda alright, and its a purely political one. So instead of trying to find fault with Clinton foreign policy decisions when she was Secy of State, we have this bullshit. There's plenty to be critical of that's real withut making shit like this up. But for some odd reason, nobody wants to talk about real shit. Just this.

BKB

LJ3
09-23-2015, 11:11 AM
Real shit, man. Real shit. I agree with you 100%!

Her record as Sec State should be what's discussed, 100%. BUT, there seems to be pretty decent evidence that she did in fact mishandle classified messages. I don't really care about that as much as what she did in her role.

But it's all agenda based politics on bofe sides.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 11:21 AM
What evidence is that, Len?

I'd like to know how fucking ISIS got all those US weapons and who was held responsible. I'd like to know how we completely misread ISIS and who was responsible for that. I'd like to know what the fuck we're doing still in Afghanistan and for spmebody to own up to what our mission was, what was accomplished, and when. And I'd like to know how the US ended up arming the wrong guys in Libya, which has shit all to do with Benghazi by the way, and who is responsible for it. We seem to have the same issue we've had for years. Everybody has a plan but nobody has any responsibility when it goes south. Same shit, different president, different day.
BKB

LJ3
09-23-2015, 11:30 AM
whoah, hey there now... Don't be all gettin' all up in my junk for that crapola.

I've seen stories on both CNN and Fox about the FBI investigating the technical side of the alleged emails and what not. Here's an example:
http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clintons-private-email-and-fbi

A quote from the article. "However, the intelligence community's inspector general, Charles McCullough III, told Congress last week that he discovered two emails sent to Clinton that contained information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which is the government's highest levels of classification."

I'm only interested as an IT guy. If the FBI has that data, then by default they have access to the entire "mail store" which will be a copy of every single message.

I'm pretty sure Clinton isn't the only one that had email delivered outside the official channels and I doubt very seriously it only matters when someone needs to be taken down or an agenda needs to be served.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 11:35 AM
I'm not up in your business. I simply asked 'what evidence'? The other stuff was just the questions I thnk we SHOULD be asking her.

So blame it on the friggin business requirements. That's the offical
iT response.

BKB

bKB

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 11:41 AM
First, let me freely admit that I despise the worthless bitch. So, I am in no way objective. However, it does go to her character and judgment that she thought it was okay to conduct official government business on a private home brew server. (To paraphrase one of my favorite email lines, her hubris knows no bounds.) Then when requested to turn over the emails for archival that is required by Federal law she just says "trust me" and submits the ones she wants us to think are covered. Sorry, I don't trust her as far as I could throw her. This could easily turn into one of these things where the lies and cover up are way worse than the original infraction.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 11:44 AM
Which ones did Colon Powell turn over? And what kind of server did he uses? Do you call that hubris too? And how many emails did old Colin deem it necessary to turn over?

(hint: the answer is none)

bKB

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 11:51 AM
Did Colon Powell conduct all his official business on a private server? If he did, then yes I do. Anyone other than a cabinet secretary would have their ass fired and/or disciplined for that shit.

Captain
09-23-2015, 11:54 AM
Barry you got you head in the sand or are just plain NOT paying attention if you believe no TS documents have been found in this deal...
Go back to sleep!

Captain
09-23-2015, 12:05 PM
And all this where did ISIS get weapons and what did Powell do is just smoke and mirrors meant to distract from the topic.
If you want to know those issues that's another topic. Don't throw it up here to sidetrack the topic.

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 12:15 PM
Nobody's produced any yet (classified email). if they had, we'd hear about it from someone other than unnamed sources.

And CD, there is no federal law prohibiting federal officials from using private email servers for official business. As stated in Colin Powell's own memoirs, he used one and didn't keep doodly squat. He assumed, like any reasonable person would, that any official business email sent to an official business account would be captured by the system that the email was sent to. You have to wonder, if like Len says, that the exchange servers at State capture everything, then why has there been no emails produced outside of her personal server that show classified information was sent? Because there ain't none that's why. If you believe that Hillary's 'home brew' server, a name that you never heard of before this, is the only way that her official business emails can be collected then you are smoking some really good weed, and I want some. There are probably two or three servers minimum that likely could be involved in the transmittal and receipt of email within that group. Ask anyone who's been fired for sending or receiving porn on a work computer. If its been done, there's a record somewhere.

This whole thing is a sham. And I don't want another Clinton or a Bush in the White House. But I like to think my issue with her is a little deeper than some half baked email bullshit about classified material. How many CI
a agents did she out? How many times did she lead us to war on false pretences and outright lies supposedly to have come from 'classified sources'? How many of our people died and how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqi innocents died as a result of misuse of classified material? And that's been openly admitted by Powell himself. You didn't seem to be concerned much about that. Yet now, its not down to illegal, its down to 'hubris'? Please.

Lets all not vote for the bitch because we don't like her politics and leave it at that. This other is a huge waste of time. Kind of like Obama is a muslim.

bKB

bKB

Captain
09-23-2015, 12:21 PM
Nobody's produced any yet (classified email). if they had, we'd hear about it from someone other than unnamed sources.

Like this?

A quote from the article. "However, the intelligence community's inspector general, Charles McCullough III, told Congress last week that he discovered two emails sent to Clinton that contained information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which is the government's highest levels of classification."

BarryBobPosthole
09-23-2015, 12:36 PM
And like everything else found by the IG, it was classified long after it was sent. In other words, it wasn't marked that way at the time. And I believe the State Department has disputed whether that info was actually classified or not. There is a big disagreement between departments as to what should and shouldn't be classified. Its the IG's job to find and poont out any questions they find. This guy did his job. And whether its a process issue or a personal responsibility one has not been commented on by anyone. Except of course by Judicial Watch.

And I think that says 'sent to' Clinton, not 'sent by' Clinton. Not sure how something getting sent to a person is their issue.




BKB

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 01:31 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I hate (and distrust) that supercilious cocksucker Donald Trump every but as much as I do Hilary.

Chicken Dinner
09-23-2015, 01:34 PM
Maybe it wasn't illegal to use a private server (security issues aside). However, the NY Times failure to preserve your emails is a violation of some Federal Law. This was just the first link that came up:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0