Y'all seen that SC classroom confrontation video?

[airbud7]

The student was "verbally disrespectful" to the teacher. The student refused to leave the classroom, and an administrator was called, Lott said. The student still refused to leave, so Fields was called. The student was still disrespectful, so Fields was Asked to REMOVE HER FROM CLASS, Lott said, and that's when the videos began.


Police have the video that allegedly shows the girl swinging at the officer and striking him, but they will not release it, the sheriff said.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/sc-classroom-confrontation-video-shows-student-hit-school/story?id=34774228


How would you have done it...

[Buckrub]

Where?
Hope that wasn't my daughter's SC classroom!

[Thumper]

I'd have shot her. ;)

[Nandy]

What where people expecting, for the officer to say, "ok, I guess you are not coming with me" and leave?

[airbud7]

What where people expecting, for the officer to say, "ok, I guess you are not coming with me" and leave?

Thats what I thought too...

[Big Muddy]

Sure woulda been easier for all concerned, if she had just got her fat azz outta the desk, and left the classroom, when instructed to do so.

'Entitlement" breeds contempt....and contempt breeds, getting yo azz body-slammed....seems like people would learn to just "obey the officer."

[BarryBobPosthole]

We need Roger Goodell to rule on this one for us.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

Why? He'd just get overruled. B

[BarryBobPosthole]

The irony of it is that if something had been applied correctly to that girl's ass by her parents as she was growing up, then its highly unlikely anythng like this would have happened. But no, we want to call that child abuse.

And in my mind, this was excessive force used by this officer. I'm not sure why its national headlines either. I don't think any 16 year old needs to be yanked around like that basically for being a smartass, no matter how much we'd like to see it happen sometimes!

BKB

[Thumper]

I thought Cappy had commented on this ... or did I dream it? I heard on the local news this morning that there's more video that hasn't been shown. Supposedly she slugged the officer with her fist before the confrontation that's been televised. Of course, the parents already have an attorney.

There was another officer involved shooting that I saw reported this morning also. Some kid he'd stopped who had coke and merry-hoochie. The kid took off in his car and about took the officer out, just barely missing him. From what I saw, the officer could have probably jumped back out of the way, but who knows? The point is, if we keep taking powers away from our police and send the message that it's ok to ignore any commands they give, what good is a police force? Heck, if I'm drunk, doing 100 mph down the road and a cop tries to stop me, why should I stop? Fuck 'em ... I don't have to do anything they say! This disrespect of the law has to stop somewhere or we'll end up with chaos. Are there bad cops? Sure. But this general feeling that they're ALL bad and we don't have to do a frigging thing they tell us to do is bullshit!

[airbud7]

NAACP says Race was Factor...

http://abc7news.com/news/naacp-says-race-was-factor-in-arrest-of-south-carolina-student/1054004/

[Bwana]

Now there's one I didn't see coming ab7...:banghead:banghead

[Thumper]

NAACP says Race was Factor...

http://abc7news.com/news/naacp-says-race-was-factor-in-arrest-of-south-carolina-student/1054004/

'Bout time for Jessie and Al to show up.

[HideHunter]

I saw a "blow-by-blow" posted. She was flailing and kicking like a mad woman and actually caused a lot of the "physical theatrics" herself.. He was trying to get her out of the desk.. She ended up on the floor largely by her own doing. As usual - what the news showed was "out of context".

[BarryBobPosthole]

Teachers and principals have been handling discipline problems in public and private schools successfully for a long long time. And likely they handled 99% of them without having a police officer slam any of them to the floor.
Don't make this anything other than it is. Its not an arrest. If it is, then they need to file charges against her. If we make it into something it ain't we're no better than the people who are trying to make its something else its not.

BKB

[johnboy]

Just saw on the news that the officer involved was fired.

[LJ3]

Teachers and principals have been handling discipline problems in public and private schools successfully for a long long time. And likely they handled 99% of them without having a police officer slam any of them to the floor.
Don't make this anything other than it is. Its not an arrest. If it is, then they need to file charges against her. If we make it into something it ain't we're no better than the people who are trying to make its something else its not.

BKB

I dunno about that posthole. My kids have had police officers assigned to each school since they entered the 9th grade. Asshole children are the problem. Aggressive cops don't make it better, either. But our schools have had cops for at least 10 years or so.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Yep, and that sheriff is the only one down there talking common sense from what I can tell.

BKB

[DeputyDog]

Barry, the cop didn't just happen to show up in that classroom, he was sent there by the school administration. I know he was an SRO and part of their job is to handle situations like this in the schools. The world has changed. The total lack of respect for any authority is hard to believe and unless you experience it, you probably don't realize how bad it is. It really puts people in any type of authority in a tough place, how do you handle a situation where something needs done, but the other person involved is completely uncooperative and feels like they do not have to follow anyone's instructions at all. Do you as an authority figure, just walk away? That just weakens your authority more. Do you push the issue and end up like this cop did out of a career?

I haven't seen the entire video so I can't make any judgement of what happened. Of course it "looks bad", every use of force justified, excessive, or not, all "look bad" on video.

Cops are very aware that everyone has a camera and everyone wants to catch a cop doing something, so I doubt he just dumped her over for just running her mouth. As for charges, an article I saw did saw that the officer told her that she was under arrest at one point. Of course, if she is a juvenile, the arrest record is probably not public record, so any information regarding charges cannot be released to the public.

[BarryBobPosthole]

I dunno about that posthole. My kids have had police officers assigned to each school since they entered the 9th grade. Asshole children are the problem. Aggressive cops don't make it better, either. But our schools have had cops for at least 10 years or so.

I have no issue at all with police in schools. But they aren't there to enforce discipline. they are there to protect the kids. If these kids were threatening the other kids, then yeah the cop needed to do something. But this should have been handled by the faculty until it became some sort of police issue. That's all I'm saying. And the sheriff pretty much said the same thing.


And on edit, DD, that sheriff said somethng about a law down in SC being part of the issue with the SROs being caught in the middle, like you were sayng. He wasn't specific but he did say that was part of the problem
BKB

[Thumper]

Kids have zero respect for any type of authority anymore and I blame the parents as much as anybody. When I was a kid in school, I respected ANY authoritative figure ..... or pretty much any adult for that matter. In school, I wasn't a total angel, but I wasn't disrespectful either (more along the lines of the class clown). BUT .. back then ... when we screwed up, we KNEW we were in trouble ... and if it was BIG trouble, both the Principle AND the Coach had that paddle ready. I remember when they "upgraded" from wooden paddles to thin fiberglass paddles. THOSE mf'ers would actually wrap around your ass and cover a lot more territory than the old wooden style! OUCH!

But, you know the big difference? The punishment from Coach or the Principal wasn't the worst part ... once I got home I had to face the REAL punishment. Nowadays, if a kid deserves a smack on the ass, you'll lose your job and possibly do jail time if you do it. These days, if you lay a finger on sweet little Johnny, once he gets home, mommy and daddy will be calling an attorney instead of dishing out their own discipline. I believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child".

Face it, the world is fucked up when it comes to this sort of shit. It's no wonder kids are growing up with absolutely zero respect for authority. It continues into adulthood, steal a car, get into a police chase and end up driving it into a lake ... no problem, after a slap on the wrist, you'll be back home in time for supper. I'm starting to wonder when this will spread to our military. Now THAT will be a problem!

[LJ3]

Jimmy from my perspective it has nothing to do with discipline, physical or otherwise. All 4 of my kids are basically very good people and they know right from wrong. I've spanked one of them (one smack) one time for one offence and never laid a hand on any of the others. None of them will disrespect a cop or teacher or other authority figure in their lives.

Contrary to my highly sardonic persona, I have always modeled respectful behavior to all cops, teachers, officials and other people in my life. Showing kids what is right and wrong works much better than whippin' dey ass for not doin what you done tole 'em.

[Bwana]

Thumper I hear you LOUD and clear about the paddle material upgrade. My mom may have used a wooden spoon on me a time or two to get my attention (believe me, I had it coming and knew it) but I VIVIDLY recall the day when she upgraded to some sort of plastic-type spoon that had a bit of flex to it. That one got me full attention.

[Thumper]

Yep Bwana, at home it was always dad's leather belt. If I were at my grandparents (where I spent a LOT of time growing up) ... I'd get whooped with Pops' razor strop! Kids these days have no idea what a razor strop is ... but some of 'em need an introduction. ;)

Len, I hear ya' ... I went through it with my kid. He's NEVER been in any type of trouble and growing up was one of the best mannered kids I've ever seen. As in your case, I think a lot of it has to do with their upbringing as well as their general demeanor. My mom handled most of the discipline when I was growing up ... she wielded the belt. But, I had 1000% more respect for my dad ... I'd rather take 10 ass-bustins from mom with the belt than just ONE disappointed glare from my dad. I don't think he ever laid a hand (or belt) on me. He did pop me on the back of my head with his open hand once when I smarted off to my mom in front of him. I remember that like it was just yesterday and it hurt me more than any whoopin' I ever got. BTW ... I deserved every one I did get ... and prolly quite a few I DIDN'T get. ;)

You have to admit ... there are many punk-asses in the schools these days and sweet Johnny can do no wrong in mom & dad's eyes. Or they just don't give a shit until little Johnny gets smacked at school and they see dollar signs as they're flipping through the Yellow Pages trying to find some sleazeball attorney.

[BarryBobPosthole]

I always supported the school when it came to any discipline with my kids, which was rare to none. One thing I will say though, is no matter what the discipline offense was if somebody had slammed my kid to the floor and physically thrown them as 'school discipline' I would have whipped two or three people's ass my own self and there would have been more folk slammed to the floor.

And regardless of who is right and who is wrong what lesson did the other kids in that class learn from this?

BKB

[LJ3]

That being an asshole kid will make you famous.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Purty much.

BKB

[Thumper]

I'm through. ;)

[LJ3]

sigh

I think we just collectively depressed ourselves.

[airbud7]

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[HideHunter]

Everyone/Anyone ... put in that cop's position.. Exactly how would you have handled it?

[Thumper]

She deserved an ass-whoopin'! ;)


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[Captain]

Everyone/Anyone ... put in that cop's position.. Exactly how would you have handled it?

The same way, the sheriff in this case is wrong to throw the officer under the bus that fast.
If folks don't start letting police do their jobs you are going to see hell breaking loose.

[Trav]

No Way Barry says the cop is in the wrong, I am stunned. That is all.

[Captain]

Barry can be wrong. Asking him about how bad the government shutdown hurt the Republicans in the Midterm elections. :-) ;) :D

I'll let him lead when we got a Telco issue. On this I've got much more experience than him.
This officer at best should have been put on administrative duty until a internal investigation was complete. At that time if the Sheriff wanted him to leave I would have supported that. SC officers work at the will and pleasure of the Sheriff. I have no problem with the sheriff releasing him in the future without giving any reason. But to do so in the light of all this made it pretty clear the sheriff buckled under (false) media twist and bios.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Yep you do have more experience in law enforcement than me. But I still think its wrong to have police perform school discipline. If police are needed, then an arrest for some crime is needed. Aren't SRO's there mainly for protection of all concerned from lawbreakers? Or are they schoolteachers with a badge? Otherwise, the teachers should have handled it. That's not being anti-cop, that just the way it oughta be. And that's just my opinion. You're welcome to yours!

BKB

[Big Muddy]

This is what I've gathered from several of the reliable news sources:

> The male black teacher asked the black student to leave the classroom, several times, because of her disrespectful language, and report to the principal's office.

> She refused to leave, so the principal reported the confrontation to the principal.

> The principal could not get her to leave the classroom, either, when she became defiant.

> The principal reported the situation to the Supt. office, and they requested SRO assistance, in removing her from the classroom.

> SRO told her to get up and leave, but she refused to budge.

> SRO attempted to assist her to leave, and she began flailing and striking him.

> SRO subdued her, handcuffed her, and removed her from the classroom, as he was instructed.


What the frick is wrong with the officer doing his job, as instructed???....it's ALL the punk kid's fault for resisting....she shoulda just shut the frick up, and left the room.

I wish that SRO would come down here, looking for a job....he'd be hired in an instant.

[Nandy]

Barry, I hear what you say but I disagree... Once the kid did not follow the instructions from both the teacher and principal the school had to move one step higher. If they dont every other punk will be doing the same damned thign...

This is SC law:
Public Disorderly Conduct

Under South Carolina law, it is a misdemeanor to appear “grossly intoxicated” in a public place, or otherwise behave in a disorderly or “boisterous” (obnoxious) way. While South Carolina’s lawmakers have failed to define the term “grossly intoxicated,” courts have generally interpreted it to mean intoxication that is apparent to an outside observer, most often a police officer. For example, a drunken person riding as a passenger in a car who yells threats and obscenities out of the car window to a person on the street could be arrested and charged with public disorderly conduct.

Disorderly conduct also includes

using obscene or profane language in any public place or gathering, or within hearing distance of a schoolhouse or church, or
firing a gun within fifty yards of a public road while under the influence of alcohol, except upon one’s own premises.

For example, a person who screams obscenities and vulgar language at another in a grocery store could be convicted of public disorderly conduct. (S.C. Code Ann. § 16-17-530.)

So, if this kids was being disorderly the officer was justified to become involved, then the kid did not follow the commands, resisted arrest AND fought the officer... she got what she deserved... Yeah, I understand it dont look good but it was what had to happen at that time.

This officer being discharged sends a terrible message to these kids that they won, that being disorderly and defiant to authority is supported. That sheriff buckled and I hope it wont get re elected.

I ask the same thing I asked before, what was the officer supposed to do? Walk away and say "ok, I guess you are not going..." To be honest, I dont think he could have done anything that would have been seen as correct by those that loves to scream "police brutality"....

[BarryBobPosthole]

I see. So you're saying he was arresting her. Did they give her a citation or book her for the offense?

And do you see throwing her on the floor and then tossing her across the room as appropriate use of force?

BKB

[Captain]

Yep you do have more experience in law enforcement than me. But I still think its wrong to have police perform school discipline. If police are needed, then an arrest for some crime is needed. Aren't SRO's there mainly for protection of all concerned from lawbreakers? Or are they schoolteachers with a badge? Otherwise, the teachers should have handled it. That's not being anti-cop, that just the way it oughta be. And that's just my opinion. You're welcome to yours! BKB
I see the Police assigned to keep peace and order at the school has to just stand there until the teacher tries to move the student acting like a butthole. And then once the butthole student hits or assaults (possibly hurting) the teacher then he/she officer can do something.
Really Posthole??? That's a great plan there....

[Nandy]

I see. So you're saying he was arresting her. Did they give her a citation or book her for the offense?

And do you see throwing her on the floor and then tossing her across the room as appropriate use of force?

BKB

That is my understanding from the last video I saw, they are charging her but I have not heard what is it and since she is a minor I wonder if we will ever know.

The officer gave her a choice, you can hear him tell her that either she gets up and go or he is removing her. I see the officer put his arms around her neck and reach for her pant jeans to remove her, then she start punching him then he slams her. Yeah, you punch a police officer and you get slam, sorry, that is what happens. He could have gotten her and and twist it until she was compliant, people would have still screamed police brutality. How come the other student that was arrested was not slammed? Because when the officer confronted her she complied.

[BarryBobPosthole]

And that right there might be the line that was crossed. If its a police matter, then the thing speaks for itself. If its school discipline, then that's still another in my mind. Hell, I did some shit in school that'd probably get me tased in today's environment. If we're gonna say acting out in school is a crime, we really got some problems in public schools.

This might be one of those deals that we need to let percolate for a bit to see if the story changes as the facts come out.

BKB

[Captain]

The facts ain't gonna change:
Asshole student breaking school rules and state law about being disruptive in school.
Asshole student asked to leave by authority (teacher)
Asshole student refused...
Asshole student keeps being disruptive.
Asshole student asked to leave by supervisor
Asshole student refused
Asshole student asked to leave by School Resource Officer
Asshole student refused
Asshole student got removed.
The one person in total control that could have stopped the WHOLE DAMN situation anywhere in the above chain of events was the STUDENT
And somehow, someway, you equate all this as the officers fault?
You got some good weed burnin'.

[Thumper]

Well I'm 100% with Cappy on the ill-handling of the situation by the Sheriff. Talk about folding under pressure. There is NO way that officer should have been fired without an investigation. Put him on administrative leave or behind a desk until all the facts are investigated. He did nothing short of admitting the officer was guilty before he even knew the circumstances. He's a weak ass IMHO and puts public pressure above his own officers. He sucks!

I heard one news report (and we all know how true news reports are) that said the student was so arrogant, she was even sitting in class talking on her cell phone while being asked to leave. I have NO idea if that's a fact ... all sorts of rumors are flying right now.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Bite me, Lawdawg.

BKB

[Captain]

Well I'm 100% with Cappy on the ill-handling of the situation by the Sheriff. Talk about folding under pressure. There is NO way that officer should have been fired without an investigation. Put him on administrative leave or behind a desk until all the facts are investigated. He did nothing short of admitting the officer was guilty before he even knew the circumstances. He's a weak ass IMHO and puts public pressure above his own officers. He sucks!

Exactly and how much "back up" do you think the rest of his officers feel they have now. If I worked for the SOB I'd quit. Not only is that SOB not going to back his officers, he ain't even gonna give them a fair shake...
As I said above, I don't mind the guy dismissing the officer after an internal and if it appeared the officer jumped to soon, but to knuckle under to media pressure is chicken shit.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Y'all are as emotional as a flock of females. And the little one in high heels needs a midol.

BKB

[Thumper]

Bite me, Lawdawg.

BKB

Heck, I've lost track of who has the official Good Hunting Bite Me stool right now. Seems Eddie had it last. (?)


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[Captain]

Bite me, Lawdawg. BKB

Why do you do that?
Over analyze everything like this.
The facts are as simple as I stated above.
Kids need to be taught there are rules and consequences for breaking those rules. I mean life ain't Burger King, you don't always get it your way.
You asked to get your ass removed, you get it removed and guess what? It's YOUR fault...

[Thumper]

It's totally understandable ... she should have been ripped a new asshole by her parents when she got home ... but nooooo, the first thing they do is call an attorney. It's no wonder she's a punk-assed little bitch.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Why do you do that?
Over analyze everything like this.
The facts are as simple as I stated above.
Kids need to be taught there are rules and consequences for breaking those rules. I mean life ain't Burger King, you don't always get it your way.
You asked to get your ass removed, you get it removed and guess what? It's YOUR fault...

Overanalyze? Moi? Au contraire, Moose Breath. Seems to me the sheriff did what he had to do because he knew what was right. you're quick to give the officer the benefit of the doubt and the sheriff gets zip, nada, zero, zilch. You're gonna feel like shit when the facts come out.

And you asked what kind of plan my plan was? The same one that's been used in our public schools every day since they were built. If we've now reached the point where an armed policeman is requred to enforce discipline in our schools then we really really really have deeper issue than this little idiot getting thrown about. You seem to think that's a no brainer. (and you're being a tad disdainful to tell the truth, and maybe even Elitist).
I don't.

So go take a flying fuck at a rolling donut, copper.
And then bite me.

BKB

[Captain]

Y'all are as emotional as a flock of females. And the little one in high heels needs a midol. BKB

Posty your the one taking the little emotional roll on this one. Feeling all sorry for the poor little misunderstood girl, being all mistreated by the big bad police.
The rest of us are totally unemotional and factual.
She asked to get her ass kicked, she got her ass kicked and the WHOLE situation was 100% HER fault and in her control.

[HideHunter]

And you asked what kind of plan my plan was? The same one that's been used in our public schools every day since they were built. If we've now reached the point where an armed policeman is requred to enforce discipline in our schools then we really really really have deeper issue than this little idiot getting thrown about. You seem to think that's a no brainer.


BKB

But it obviously has. Teachers can't touch students... and ... you still haven't said how *you* would have handled the situation?

[Nandy]

Barry, I agree, we should let this one sit. story will change accordingly, all I want to see are the videos on their entirely, not just the officer slamming the kid.

That sheriff showed he is willing to throw his deputies in the fire so he can come out unscathed for next election.... He pretty much said the officer was fired because he did not agree on how he enforced the law, not the correct technique, I wonder if it was his butt there being punched if he would act any differently. He's probably been out of any real action in forever...

[BarryBobPosthole]

But it obviously has. Teachers can't touch students... and ... you still haven't said how *you* would have handled the situation?

Of course, one caveat is 'with what we know today', the second is I am just giving you a 'here's what I think and I don't have a clue as to what they have listed in their handbooks. I think the appropriate steps would be:

1. When the principal came to the room and he should have told the student to go to his office. If the student refused, then the principal needed inform the student he was referring the matter to the police.
2. He should then clear the classroom and immediately attempt to call the parents or whatever they have for an emergency contact leaving at least two teachers in the class with student.
3. If the parents can be contacted, then the police should wait to enter the room with the parents when they arrive. Then if the student still refuses to leave the police can arrest the student for whatever crime has been committed and the police should release the student to the parent's custody. But they should have the parents take responsibility for her as soon as possible.
4. The little asshole should be suspended forever from that school system.

That's the way
i would want my kids handled. At no time should a cop EVER put hands on ANYONE like that unless there is an arrest.
BKB

[Captain]

Damn what world are you living in.... Right remove all the other students, and do what with them? bring the parents in so you can see WHERE she got that asshole attitude to start with. Now you will need more police because not only with the gal not leave, now her parents won't leave. Or they try to whoop the police when the police start to remove the girl.
You really don't have a clue do you?
Boy I can tell you have lived in a ivory tower too long.
And you say that's the way you would want you children treated. Are you telling me you raised a child that would not have left when the teacher told them too?

[BarryBobPosthole]

Of course not. My kids knew they'd get their asses in trouble if they did somethng like that.

And yep, I that should be the process. And I think it beats Dodge Fucking City that you're proposing there Mr Dillon.

BKB

[HideHunter]

Then if the student still refuses to leave the police can arrest the student for whatever crime has been committed and the police should release the student to the parent's custody.
BKB

So it still comes down to this... Just takes longer.. ;)

[Captain]

Of course not. My kids knew they'd get their asses in trouble if they did somethng like that. And yep, I that should be the process. And I think it beats Dodge Fucking City that you're proposing there Mr Dillon. BKB

Well there you have it, you been around people and raised children that know the difference between right and wrong.
I've spent a lifetime dealing with people that didn't get that memo.
That's the difference, you don't know that group of folks and the difficulties associated with dealing with them.
I have it on good authority you are an elitist :D
And one comment you made: "You're gonna feel like shit when the facts come out." Is just another fine example of how wrong you can be. I can assure you that is not going to be the case.

[Captain]

So it still comes down to this... Just takes longer.. ;)

Bingo and now you got at least one parent that has the SAME attitude to deal with.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Purty much. But I think when the audience is gone, the attitude will disappear 99% of the time. We don't have arrests in public schools but very rarely where I live so the schools are handling discipline themselves quite effectively. And we have some peckerheaded kids here just like everywhere else does. That's why I thnk in a situation like that, you can slow things down a bit and get things done without slinging anyone's -6 year old to the ground.

And neither do I thnk that's unreasonable.
BKB

[Captain]

We don't have arrests in public schools but very rarely whereI live
That's right your state is mostly Republicans right, I mean after all your state is the only state where Obama didn't win one single county.
So I can see why there might not be much problem there. They are good conservatives values that teach their children right from wrong. :D

[BarryBobPosthole]

Hahahahaha....just wait till I get to say I told you so.

BKB

[Captain]

Neither of us will probably live that long. :D

[DeputyDog]

Purty much. But I think when the audience is gone, the attitude will disappear 99% of the time. We don't have arrests in public schools but very rarely where I live so the schools are handling discipline themselves quite effectively.
BKB


That's where you are wrong. The attitude goes on with or without an audience. I know first hand just like the good Captain does. You get it on traffic stops where there is no one else there but the officer and the violator.

And with the second part of that, you just admitted that you don't really know how it is since things like this don't happen where you live.

[Captain]

That's where you are wrong. The attitude goes on with or without an audience. I know first hand just like the good Captain does. You get it on traffic stops where there is no one else there but the officer and the violator. And with the second part of that, you just admitted that you don't really know how it is since things like this don't happen where you live.

It's like talking to a wall Deputy, Posty has never been involved with the elements and attitudes we have see. He thinks everyone listens to reason and acts like they should. He ain't got a fucking clue. And of course there that whole Monday morning quarterbacking thing he does from the safety of his home after watching some media edited video and he gets all emotional.
I could drop him out in a couple of neighborhoods and within 5 minutes he would be begging for police to bring in some ass-whoopin and get him out of there.
He has no idea what attitudes are out there. He sees that person as a victim with no responsibility for the events that occurred.

[Thumper]

Barry Bob P-Hole:


Seems to me the sheriff did what he had to do because he knew what was right.

You know, I'm starting to agree with your way of thinking. Heck, if the L.A. Police Chief/Prosecutor's Office handled issues like that, OJ would'a been fried to a crisp before they even started that silly circus called a trial. Not a bad form of justice now that I think about it. ;)

Thanks for opening my eyes to a new form of "justice" ... screw the investigation, I think you're guilty, so you're out'ta here!

[Captain]

Barry Bob P-Hole: You know, I'm starting to agree with your way of thinking. Heck, if the L.A. Police Chief/Prosecutor's Office handled issues like that, OJ would'a been fried to a crisp before they even started that silly circus called a trial. Not a bad form of justice now that I think about it. ;) Thanks for opening my eyes to a new form of "justice" ... screw the investigation, I think you're guilty, so you're out'ta here!

That was my Point too. Even those charged with a crime have due process. This officer was an escape goat for the sheriff who knuckled under the liberal press with a edited video.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Speaking of people that are hard headed.....I think the pot is calling the kettle black here just a little bit.

BKB

[Thumper]

This officer was an escape goat for the sheriff who knuckled under the liberal press with a edited video.

I'm still trying to get that mental image of an "escape goat" out of my head! :D

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[Captain]

I just like to be fair and balanced. :D
The first thing I said was:
"This officer at best should have been put on administrative duty until a internal investigation was complete. At that time if the Sheriff wanted him to leave I would have supported that. SC officers work at the will and pleasure of the Sheriff. I have no problem with the sheriff releasing him in the future without giving any reason. But to do so in the light of all this made it pretty clear the sheriff buckled under (false) media twist and bios"

In other words AFTER an investigation was done I would support the sheriff in dismissing the officer if he broke policy or law. But not this buckling under to crap.

You are the closed minded feller that supports not giving the officer any due process. And just agrees with (mis)information.

[Thumper]

Cappy chasin' bad guys before retirement. :D


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[BarryBobPosthole]

I just like to be fair and balanced. :D
The first thing I said was:
"This officer at best should have been put on administrative duty until a internal investigation was complete. At that time if the Sheriff wanted him to leave I would have supported that. SC officers work at the will and pleasure of the Sheriff. I have no problem with the sheriff releasing him in the future without giving any reason. But to do so in the light of all this made it pretty clear the sheriff buckled under (false) media twist and bios"

In other words AFTER an investigation was done I would support the sheriff in dismissing the officer if he broke policy or law. But not this buckling under to crap.

You are the closed minded feller that supports not giving the officer any due process. And just agrees with (mis)information.


Horse puckey. I said that the force used by the officer was excessive and I still think it was. Maybe where you're from slinging 16 year old girls around and throwing them across the floor for misdemeanor offenses is common. Like DD said, we don't have much experience with that here. Especially not in schools.
Secondly, I said I supported the sheriff and thought he was the only one speaking common sense. By that I meant it wasn't a racial matter, it wasn't a police brutality matter, and the use of force wasn't justified. That's what the sheriff said and I agree with him. I still do, until something comes out that could change the whole story if and when it does.

Neither of those makes me hard headed or uninformed. It just means we disagree. Big fucking deal.

BKB

[BarryBobPosthole]

And its you who's throwing the sheriff under the bus! You don't know a thing about his history with this cop. Hell he might have been on probation for all we know and this was the last straw. But no. You would rather take a side without knowing any of that.
hArDhEAd.

BKB

[Thumper]

Is a hArDhEAd anything like a pUmPhEAd? ;)

[BarryBobPosthole]

Close!

BKB

[Captain]

And its you who's throwing the sheriff under the bus! You don't know a thing about his history with this cop. Hell he might have been on probation for all we know and this was the last straw. But no. You would rather take a side without knowing any of that. hArDhEAd. BKB

Got it, it's OK for you to do it just not me or anyone that disagrees with ya'
I see how ya gonna be.
Oh and by the way YOU don't know a thing about the history of this sheriff. So there!

[Thumper]

Neener neener!! ;)

[DeputyDog]

Yep, Posty is right. The schools can handle their own discipline.

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This teacher had no right to take that poor kid's cell phone from him.

[BarryBobPosthole]

Bite me DD. I never said ANY teacher didn't have a right to take anything from any kid. I suppose that's how you thofht I'd feel about it so you just made that up and threw that in there?

And yes, I'd agree that in the video you posted that is an assault on a teacher. That happens unfortunately. That's not school discipline. its the furtherest thing from it. That is crimnal assault. And its totally different than the 16 year old girl who simply wouldn't get out of her chair.

And you once accused me of being disdainful?

BKB

[DeputyDog]

The point was, this is the kind of attitudes that LE and teachers have to deal with every day. The difference in the two is, in the SC case, the teacher contacted the administration who called in the SRO to handle it before it got to this point and the girl hit the officer instead of the teacher. So it's not ok if the assault is on a teacher, but the cop is supposed to take getting hit and kicked?

That comment at the bottom just reflects the attitude of a large percentage of the general public that feel that it's always someone else's fault when things like this happen.

[Nandy]

Maybe where you're from slinging 16 year old girls around and throwing them across the floor for misdemeanor offenses is common.

I would have agreed with you except the girl starting punching he officer the second he put hands on her. How is he supposed to removed her without laying hands on her? Once she starts assaulting an officer she took the ball game to another level. Watch the video, download it and play it slow. the officer gets sorta behind her, puts his arm around her neck and grab the pants legs and she starts punching him, that when the chair is push or pull during the scuffle. Could have the officer ignore her punches (im sure they were not too much to deal with) and not let her have it, I guess so, but that was not his reaction.

[Captain]

Don't worry Nandy, he don't agree with hisself. :D

[Big Skyz]

Had she just put her cell phone away there would not have been an issue. I'm sure the teacher wished he could have dumped her on her head, but I'm also betting the officer took the heat for what he would have like to do. The report said both the teacher and administrator supported the officer's actions. (That fact tells me a whole lot!) Despite BBP's bleeding heart some kids are an evil waste of space. Most are not, but some definitely are!!! I'll bet anything if one could pull that girl's discipline record that this is not likely the first offense. I'd go as far as to bet it's a loooooong list.

[Captain]

You mean do what she was suppose to do? You mean the RIGHT thing??? Oh no,,, have you not my been watching tv? That would make sense. We can't do stuff that is right and makes sense anymore. We got to find someone to blame for our mistakes, and lawlessness.