It Done. The Road Goes on Forever But the Party Never Ends!

If Hillary had won, its a sure bet Dems wouldn’t have won the House back. Nor would we have had 40% of congressional republicans either retiring or votedout since Trump took over, most of those in resignations. I guess that’s where the Swamp was?

So we would likely have yet another Benghazi investigation, three more email investigation, and another Whitewater investigation as the cherry on top. And the ‘server’ would be buried with her political rivals in the basement of the pizza place in DC where they peddled little kids, or so the rumors would go.

Gridlock. Thus the tongue in cheek title....’the Party never ends’

BKB

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Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole

Clinton freely admitted he lied to congress and apologized to the country for it. I’m pretty positive that didn’t cut any ice with the folks who impeached him for it. And you are correct, he did commit perjury technically so in the eyes of the law it doesn’t matter what lie he told or whom it caused hurt to. He had a tawdry affair with an intern and lied to the Congress and his wife about it.I don’t recall any cover up scheme that involved anyone else.

My point of bringing it up that way is there are a couple of things that are really distasteful (IMO of course) about the Republican defense of Trump. the main one being that Trump is a habitual liar. He has also been proven to have paid off a porn star and a former playboy bunny to shush affairs that he had, one while his wife was pregnant. Trump get a totally free pass for a mountain of lies and a life of immoral activities. He defrauded many thousands of people with Trump University, yet he gets a total pass, as if it didn’t happen. His defense is that the judge was a Mexican, that has to be the reason since he was trying to build a wall to Mexico. Does that sound plausible to you? I know you’re an LE and they are as a rule cynical of alibis. Why not this one?

In one case, Republicans are high and mighty. In the other case, that behavior is totally ignored. Nobody has ever had an explanation for that, that I can say holds water. The most common one is that he’s not a politician, he’s a businessman. I’ve known a lot of businessmen, and the one Trump reminds me the most of is Bernie Ebbers. Ebbers has many many things in common with Trump. Narcissicism, infidelity, fraud, and a total lack of empathy to name a few very obvious ones.

So that’s why I compared the two liars: in order to pointout that if you believe it was right to impeach Clinton for lying to Congress and his wife about getting blow jobs in the Oval Office, then you have zero right, again in my opinion, to criticize the impeachment of this lying asshole.

Again, not saying you are wrong buddy, just stating my own two cents.

BKb

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I have not criticized the impeachment. My only issue is that they need to come up with something that meets the criteria and then be able to prove it. It’s one thing to be impeached but another to actually be convicted and removed from office.

People on both sides throw out the term impeachment for a lot of bullshit reasons. I’ve any number of Republicans call for the impeachment of Omar, Ocasio Cortez, etc.... just because of an unpopular statement, etc... Like I said before, Trump isn’t a decent person, but that’s not an impeachable offense. If they can prove he committed an impeachable offense while in office, then by all means impeach him.


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On that we agree!

But just a small add. I think Presidents and Congresscritters commit acts that could get them impeached but its not always the right or smart thing to remove them.
An example is Bush II and Iraq. Congress and the American people were flat out lied to by the Bush admin about WMD. E Everyone admits there was no WMD now. So the whole thing was a made up reason to go to war. One study said that there was up to 2.4 million civilian casualties. Certainly in the hindreds of thousands.
And no repercussion whatsoever.
That ain’t justice. But I’m not sure we could have survived an impeachment so shortly after 9/11.

BKB

Maybe the Bush admin was lied to about WMD by the CIA. Seems to me that your CIA is balls deep in the the plot to overthrow your current Pres. Curious, no?

CIA is lying by their very name, there is no intelligence involved

Lots of folks seem convinced our CIA is corrupt. Even more think the FBI is corrupt. People also blame fires in California on politics, they blame the hurricanes on politics.
I guess, pick your conspiracy theory and be happy.

BKB

And I think your enter key is corrupted. ;)

I don’t what’s wrong with this double pumping sumbitch. Has to do with a router setting onmy wifi but I can’t figure it out. It never did it on cox internet.

BKB

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Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole

I don’t what’s wrong with this double pumping sumbitch. Has to do with a router setting onmy wifi but I can’t figure it out. It never did it on cox internet.

BKB

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it's an internet provider conspiracy against you Barry!...you live in Oklahoma the only state where all counties voted Republicans!

Fact: Oklahoma has voted Republican in fifteen of the last sixteen elections....Now take your TDS pill Bro.

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Originally Posted by quercus alba

CIA is lying by their very name, there is no intelligence involved

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HEY!! :angry1 I was part of the "I" between the C and the A! ;) (I know, I'm leaving myself wide open for abuse here)

Having worked with, for and beside the CIA for 4 years, that's what they do. Yesterday, I started to write about things that I was personally involved with, without crossing certain lines, but it turned into a book ... NOT a Thump post, I'm talking a frigging novel! I finally deleted it after realizing there was no end in sight. I tried again last night ... same results and I again deleted it. The thought crossed my mind to try again this morning, but I simply don't know how. We (the US) have these perceived morals ... we are the high and mighty who "follow the rules". The problem is, NO OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH follows the rules. Face it, you will NEVER win a ball game if you're playing by the rules and the opposing team ignores all of them. It just ain't gonna happen. The answer is the CIA. There are no rules ... well there are ... supposedly ... but the CIA does not follow them. It's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. If the CIA has any rules and follows them, they cannot perform the job they need to do. PERIOD! Where the lines become blurred is when the corruption creeps in, especially when it involves our own Presidential elections! (can you say Watergate boys and girls?) They're not supposed to spy on US citizens. Ha! That's the joke of the century! When they are bending the rules in OUR country and are in bed with the POTUS, that's when things can get out of hand. It's when they get CAUGHT that things get really, really sticky. We're worried about the Russians interfering with our elections, we also need to worry about the Americans!

But enough of that, it's pretty much common sense. Back to my PERSONAL experiences. Much of what we did, Congress was not even aware of. SOME things that were done, even the POTUS wasn't aware of. Many times, regarding the POTUS, it was one of those "Do what you need to do, but I don't want to know about it" (and nobody else needs to know about it either) type situations. Face it, that's what the CIA does. If I sat here for a while, I could probably list 50 of those exact situations off the top of my head that I was personally involved with (and DURING those ops, if broken down to individual instances, it would easily reach the thousands). That's a tiny 4-year period for me. Imagine the history of the CIA ... it would boggle the mind.

The CIA CANNOT play by any rule book. As for budget? Who knows? It used to be called the "Black Budget". I have no clue if it still is or if it's called something else now, but the "budget" was whatever was needed. Pretty much a bank account that was impossible to be overdrawn AND there was no paperwork needed for those withdrawals. (paper trails are a no-no) The House Oversight Committee? Ha! That's a joke ... THEY don't even have a clue. They'll get thrown a few tid-bits from time to time, but with no paperwork to back it up. IF any scraps of info are thrown their way, they're threatened with disappearing from the face of the earth if anything is mentioned outside of the room. Now mind you, the Black Budget is a bottomless money pit, so corruption is always a threat. Also there is no accountability for failed missions or just plain stupid ideas that simply cost a LOT of money, but gain nothing in return. I guess you just have to take the good with the bad. The CIA is a necessary evil IMHO. Once being a part of it, I see and understand the need. I also see and understand the need for total secrecy, ESPECIALLY since "secrets" seem to flow out of Washington like water through a sieve these days.

In the end, I understand how it needs to work, plus I agree that it's needed in this day and age. That said, I have no clue how to make them accountable other than making the best attempt possible to guarantee a "good" Director. But who's gonna know if he's a shithead or not? The fox is assigned to guard the hen house ... you just need to find a tame and well-fed fox!

The fact it took you that long to catch it kinda makes my point :thumbsup

Oh, I caught it immediately. I just included my response within the posts I kept deleting. :(

well, obviously you're the exception to the rule Jimbo. :poke

I'm good with that, QA. I'm far enough from that shithole. Fishing may even pick up.