Viva Renaldo!
as long as I can keep my same doctor.
No, No.. if you like your plan.....
If you turn a dog loose to hunt – you’d better to be ready to deal with what he trees.
I know we don't ever let facts get in the way of things around here, and granted, that was a very stupid thing to promise, but the fact is, the people that 'lost' their plans did so because the plans didn't meet the requirements of the new law and they had to be discontinued. Now that doesn't get Obama off the hook for saying stupid shit, but saying stupid shit and claiming that somehow Obamacare caused people to lose their coverage are two different things. People didn't lose coverage, they lost a plan that was no longer in line with current law.
I suppose we should have included a Republican voter plan in Obamacare that offered a plan that still had preexisting condition clauses and didn't cover birth control and didn't allow kids to stay on their parent's plan while they were in college.
And the other reason plans were discontinued? Because insurers, who have been enjoying record profits if you care to look, pulled plans that they claimed they were losing money on.
what is going to happen is people are going to get fed up to the point where we will all of us be on medicare and the insurance companies can then skim what's left in the supplemental marketplace.
BKB
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Be damned the conquences as long as Obummercare is gone.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
So do you buy your insurance through Obamacare? Or are you just concerned for all the people who do?
BKB
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Ya' know ... I've never commented on any of the posts regarding this subject, because, truthfully, I'm totally ignorant of the details. Lynn has coverage through her work ... I have Medicare and VA coverage, so I simply haven't had to deal with it. All I know is, Conservatives despise it. I really don't know if that's because Conservatives just plain ol' hate O'bummer and anything he stands for, or if the whole thing really does suck big weenies. I honestly don't know. What I do know is that as soon as Obamacare went into effect, Lynn's insurance premiums jumped up quite a bit. To be honest, it seemed a bit suspect to me and I took the easy route by blaming Obamacare, but I really don't know the actual mechanics of the way all of that works. It may be related ... or it may have been a total coincidence ... I have no clue.
That said, I've often wondered what I would do if I were younger and all of a sudden the government decided to pull the plug on my VA coverage. They already f'd with it back in the 90's when they decided what I was promised as an incentive to JOIN the military over 45 years ago, wasn't to their liking. Now THAT really pissed me off. I could understand "adjusting" the coverage for anyone joining from that point forward ... and existing plans stayed intact, but they just flat-out decided what was promised ... would no longer stand. That, to me, was a huge slap in the face and simply seems grossly unfair and just plain wrong. Also, that change is the major ... no, really the ONLY reason Lynn and I have not gotten married. If I marry, I'd lose my VA coverage. Well, not completely, but it would cost me so much, I may as well purchase commercial coverage under Obamacare. That said, I'm not even sure I'd be able to purchase coverage WITHOUT Obamacare due to preexisting conditions. So that is one major plus I will accredit to Obamacare. There may be more, but that one really stands out to me. Again, I haven't studied the program and probably won't ... unless a time comes to where I'd need to.
Bottom line is, even though I could give a rat's ass if Obama fell off the face of the earth, to keep an open mind, I honestly don't know how well the positives stand up against the negatives regarding Obamacare. I just wonder how many people bitch and moan about it simply because Obama is the one who forced it through? What would "we" think about this same plan if Reagan had implemented it? (BTW, that's an honest question, but I don't really expect an honest, informed and factual answer)
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Well, that is a reasonable statement IMO. I don't claim to know much about it myself, but can only speak from my own experience. My premiums through my work went up on average 10-15 per cent per year until Obamacare came along. Verizon absorbed the increases of the premiums for a few of the years so i was somewhat protected.
If you google it though, you'll see that a number of studies, like Kaiser Foundation for example have shown that premium cost increases have overall actually gone down under Obamacare. the problem is, the premium increases for the past 20 years, including Obamacare years, have risen faster than what workers wages have risen so health care is eating a bigger and bigger hole in their income. I can tell you that as a retiree its pretty much my number one concern.
One of the reasons for increases, and one we've argued on here about, is that the people who have insurance end up paying for the people who get treated that don't have insurance. The one big accomplish,ent of Obamacare is the number of people who actually have insurance has really gone up. So according to the theory we heard all these years about one of the big drivers of cost is the uninsured, you'd think that there would be some savings passed along because of the that number going drastically down. Hasn't happened. Now is Obamacare to blame for that? You decide.
So I guess the Republican plan will address that? Because as sure as shit, when those people come off the insurance rolls, the insurance companies are gonna piis iin our Post Toasties with more cost increases to supposedly cover them. And how to you keep them buying it without an individual mandate that they have to have it?
Its not as straightforward as folks paint it. Does Obamacare need fixing? Hell yeah it does. Will repealing it without addressing the things Obamacare is helping to fix do us any good? You frigging decide.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
The average premiums are lower? What kinda crack are you smoking????
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I often wonder why its such a big topic/panic situation when only a small percent of the 330,000,000 americans that actually have it...and 70 percent of those had insurance before Obamacare
Read much? I said the yearly increase in costs are lower with Obamacare.Originally Posted by Arty
BKB
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slo...h-under-obama/
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Y'all are smoking crack. Premiums are high as hell under Obummer care! And don't even think about suggesting deductibles are lower. That crap has gone stupid.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Barry you are seriously seriously either drunk or dumb. My premiums have gone UP the last 6 years while my coverage has gone DOWN and my deductible has gone UP.
Give me some examples of regular folks that have not experienced the exact same as me. Anyone here on this forum have the better coverage for a higher price? I doubt it.
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Hell no. The only reason premiums have not gone sky high is because they increased the deductible and out of pocket code.
This crap need to go!
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
You fuckers cannot read. I'm done trying to explain in plain english what I already explained in plain english.
Which means you will love Trumps plan which has never been written in english or any other langiage.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
I still don't really have any practical experience to draw on for an educated conclusion. Lynn had coverage at work for close to 10 years, but it was 100% paid for by Hyatt. Her hotel was bought out by a large consortium the same year Obamacare entered the picture. They have a different carrier and her insurance coverage went up as well as her deductibles. Problem is, due to the timing of the change-over, I have no clue if it had anything at all to do with Obamacare.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Postie.....awwww, come on, mayn....give the guy a chance....you might be pleasantly surprised, NOT having a career politician running things for a change.
Southern Gentleman
I don't have any problem listening to his plan. So tell me, what is his plan?
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
To take over the house and senate and shove it down your throat!!!
Oh wait...that was Obama.
I can read and understand what you said.
I said the reasons the premiums have not gone sky high is BECAUSE out of pocket have increased as well as deductibles and coverage has been cut too.
So there is NO WAY a case can be made that preminums are increasing LESS. BECAUSE the coverage is less and the cost to the INSURED is MORE. You cannot compare apples to apples when Obummer replaced all the apples with lemons.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Build a wall and have Mexico pay for it
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
Albert Einstein
Your argument isn't with me. Argue with the insurance industry people that did these studies and with politifact. I guess they are part of the vast conspiracy against you and Trump and his zany ideas.
So believe what you want.
But are seriously telling me that in the eight years that conservatives have been bitching and moaning and slinging snot and trying to repeal obamacare that they don't have a plan to replace it? Is it secret? If it isn't secret and if it exists then just show it to me. Is that not a fair question?
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
It was a f>|€ing fair question back years ago too, remember from the man that said he would not allow congress to pass any law without it being posted and all Americans that wanted to had time to read and understand it. Remember "we got to pass it to see what's in it"???? Remember that shit.... why were you not screaming foul back then?
I personally don't give a good damn what the plan is. I don't care if it's worse, I don't care if it better. I just want what that lying SOB passed gone.
Clear enough?
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Conservatives say liberals are ramming government control down our throats and fucking up our existing medical coverage. Liberals say greedy corporations are fucking us raw and the government can make it all better. Like everything in life, the truth is in the middle somewhere.
Personally, my shit keeps going up and it got much worse after the ACA was passed. Of that I am certain.
Postholes postulate prolly deserves a look-see in this clusterfuckshitstorm where we're all gonna lose.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
Airbud! Listen up!
If you're gonna catch big fish you gotta use the right bait.
Capice?
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
It's a long, slow and difficult journey working up to an official SD'er badge Airbud. Watch the masters at work ... you'll catch on.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
I'm still waiting on some effer to chime in saying his coverage got better and his premiums went down.
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Nobody ever said that dillweed.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
Here Arty
Fucking Obama lovers around here lie like he does/ Say one thing then say they never fucking said it!
No wonder Trump won/ fucking left wing wackos!
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AirBud the REAL art of SDing is thinking of a argument you want to make and leading someone into making a statement where you can bitch slap them with your words of wisdom....
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
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