And what if that rape victim has a pregnancy problem that could cost her her life? When is an abortion not an abortion?
And what if that rape victim has a pregnancy problem that could cost her her life? When is an abortion not an abortion?
HA, we "raked" some mallards, yesterday.
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WhewI I gots some catching up to do, but Captain first.Originally Posted by Captain
I thought I made it pretty clear than I do not condone abortion in any way shape or form, unless it would threaten the life of the mother. I've raised four kids who also abhor the act of abortion. BUT, I and everyone in my family believes that our personal beliefs on the matter are just that and we respect the rights and freedoms of others to choose their own beliefs. My point is, that is what the current law says and has said since 1973. There's lots of stuff that is legal that we also don't practice or do. That's because our country gives us the FREEDOM to exercize our own sets of values as long as its within the law.
I don't know what injuns felt about abortion or if they practiced it or banned it. Interesting topic though.
BKB
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Looks like you're all singing the same illogical tune.
This is an especially touchy topic for me if the woman's health is involved in the pregnancy. Why oh why would we want the government, and not the woman and her family to make that very difficult decision? I know, you want a nanny, not a government!
And Deputy, I have heard this countless times from conservatives whenever reparations for slavery comes up. "I never owned any slaves, why should I make reparations". Same here. I don't believe in any form of discrimination by laws or by the government. Bigotry however, is not illegal. Its a choice. Homosexuality used to be illegal. For those of you who think its immoral, would you like to go back to it being illegal? Won't you burn in hell for being one? Shouldn't we force our beliefs on them too?
Like I said before, I have the same views toward abortion that you all do. I just think people should be able to choose what their beliefs are, not be told by Congress. Birth control decisions should be made ahead of time. But I also know that in my state, which is red as hell, we lead the nation in teen pregnancies, we have more families that won't and don't and can't feed or educate their kids and we'd have even more of the same if abortion were outlawed.
The same republican elected officials who want to make abortion illegal also have worked hardest at cutting programs that support the people that need them the most: children. They don't give two fucks about the kids they claim are murdered.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
Well when I become king of the world it will be illegal except in cases of a woman's health to be determined by a doctor.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
The other difference in what I believe is that I don't claim to know when a soul enters a person's body. To have a soul requires a thinking brain, and a two cell fetus at conception has no thoughts. When does that begin? I don't know. That's one of the reasons why I don't personally condone it. But you who claim to know you know when life begins. You have no proof, except what your Bible tells you even though it never EVeR addresses the topic whatsoever. And you have the arrogance to think you can tell me how I should think about it.
Petooooie on youse.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
Do you even think about what you are saying? So when a person dies and their brain stops working or worms eat the brain up there is no longer a soul?
WOW....
Thats some weak tea Posty.
PS: who made that "requirement"?
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
So, you admit killing babies is okay in certain circumstances. Do, I guess we're just arguing over which circumstances.
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
Sure it could be but very rare. Sorta as rare as the death sentence is carried out. About one every 10 years.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Gotcha. Hypocrisy and killing babies is okay as long as you only do it once every 10 years.
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"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
Yes
If that's what you took out of the reply.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Ummm, I'm sure you realize a soul is a spiritual/religious belief, correct? It's spiritual, rather than physical, so in a way, it's immaterial. (sorry, I just wanted to slip another "al" word in there.)
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Life gets tough when your at the top of the food chain. Complex reasoning pushed us humans here, The need for self-preservation applies.
As we have discussed, I believe when you die your ethos or soul or intellect or whatever contiunues to exist in some state. But not in your body. and I don't think that a two cell gamete at the time of conception has an ethos or soul or intellect. Granted, they are alive but like a cell that divides, until it is a viable entity it is simply a part of the whole. when does that happen with a human? I don't know. You claim to know. I'm not sure how, as you've yet to explain how you know. My suspiciion is you don't know either. and you'd like me to live under the rules of your ignorance. I prefer to live under the rules of my own ignorance3 sine I am the one that will suffer the consequence.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
I'm pretty sure the only thing that will facilitate understanding in this discussion is untaxed likker.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
So when someone dies as all their cells go away (however long that takes) then the soul dies?
I don't understand how at some point the soul "wakes up" and become a thing and remains for ever.
If you need to think that a human needs to be so "old" to get its soul to justify your position I'm good with that.
I believe the soul is alive at conception.
It's my belief and who knows we both may be wrong!
However I stand firm on my belief that it's wrong to use abortion as a birth control method.
It's wrong on its own merits. And I hope it does become against the law. I'm that firm...
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Best suggestion I've heard all day.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Those are good questions Captain and I don't know the answers either. I'm not a religious person but I believe there is an intellect within us that doesn't die. where it goes when we do and what happens to it, I don't know. It may be that it becomes something else, who knows?
But here's what I think we do know. Or at least it what I think I know. Our human bodies have evolved over the years from some sort of pre-human to whatever we are today. I think there is plenty of scientific evidence to support that, and I believe it in a general sense. I also think that our intellect as humans has similarly evolved as the capacity of our brains has evolved to support it. So, to be brief, I think that much of our intellect is created within our own brains and the capacity to create that intellect doesn't exist in an unformed brain. So when we say life begins at conception, sure it does. Does intellect and the things it takes to be human happen at conception? No. I think if we believe that life is all that's required to be holy and whole, then we'd better start rethinking how we treat other life on our planet too.
BKB
Viva Renaldo!
I think ya' croak, ya' decompose into a puddle of slop and the worms eat'cha. End of story.
Or, if you want a happy ending (who doesn't love a happy ending!)
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Thumper is a nihilist!
BKB
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Naaaa, I'm just deplorable.
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