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    An email from a Conservative friend

    Kind'a interesting. Biased? I dunno, what do YOU think? Anybody wanna argue the points made?


    How do civil wars happen?


    Two or more sides disagree on who runs the country. And they can't settle the question through elections because they don't even agree that elections are how you decide who's in charge.

    That's the basic issue here.

    Who decides who runs the country? When you hate each other but accept the election results, you have a country.

    When you stop accepting election results, you have a countdown to a civil war.



    The Mueller investigation is about removing President Trump from office and overturning the results of an election.

    We all know that. But it's not the first time they've done this.

    The first time a Republican president was elected this century, they said he didn't really win. The Supreme Court gave him the election.

    There's a pattern here.

    What do sure odds of the Democrats rejecting the next Republican president really mean?

    It means they don't accept the results of any election that they don't win.

    It means they don't believe that transfers of power in this country are determined by elections.



    That's a civil war.



    There's no shooting. At least not unless you count the attempt to kill a bunch of Republicans at a charity baseball game practice.

    But the Democrats have rejected our system of government. This isn't dissent. It's not disagreement.

    You can hate the other party. You can think they're the worst thing that ever happened to the country. But then you work harder to win the next election.

    When you consistently reject the results of elections that you don't win, what you want is adictatorship.

    Your very own dictatorship.



    The only legitimate exercise of power in this country, according to Democrats, is its own. Whenever Republicans exercise power, it's inherently illegitimate.

    The Democrats lost Congress. They lost the White House. So what did they do? They began trying to run the country through Federal judges and bureaucrats.

    Every time that a Federal judge issues an order saying that the President of the United States can't scratch his own back without his say so, that's the civil war.



    Our system of government is based on the constitution, but that's not the system that runs this country.

    The Democrat's system is that any part of government that it runs gets total and unlimited power over the country.



    If the Democrats are in the White House, then the president can do anything.

    And I mean anything. He can have his own amnesty for illegal aliens. He can fine you for not having health insurance.

    His power is unlimited. He's a dictator.



    But when Republicans get into the White House, suddenly the President can't do anything.

    He isn't even allowed to undo the illegal alien amnesty that his predecessor illegally invented.

    A Democrat in the White House has 'discretion' to completely decide every aspect of immigration policy.

    A Republican doesn't even have the 'discretion' to reverse him.

    That's how the game is played That's how our country is run. Sad but true, although the left hasn't yet won that particular fight.



    When a Democrat is in the White House, states aren't even allowed to enforce immigration law.

    But when a Republican is in the White House, states can create their own immigration laws.

    Under Obama, a state wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom without asking permission.

    But under Trump, Jerry Brown can go around saying that California is an independent republic and sign treaties with other countries.



    The Constitution has something to say about that.



    Whether it's Federal or State, Executive, Legislative or Judiciary, the left moves power around to run the country.

    If it controls an institution, then that institution is suddenly the supreme power in the land.

    This is what I call a moving dictatorship.



    Donald Trump has caused the Shadow Government to come out of hiding: Professional government is a guild. Like medieval guilds. You can't serve in if you're not a member.

    If you haven't been indoctrinated into its arcane rituals. If you aren't in the club. And Trump isn't in the club. He brought in a bunch of people who aren't in the club with him.



    Now we're seeing what the pros do when amateurs try to walk in on them.

    They spy on them, they investigate them and they send them to jail.

    They use the tools of power to bring them down.



    That's not a free country.



    It's not a free country when FBI agents who support Hillary take out an 'insurance policy' against Trump winning the election.

    It's not a free country when Obama officials engage in massive unmasking of the opposition.

    It's not a free country when the media responds to the other guy winning by trying to ban the conservative media that supported him from social media.

    It's not a free country when all of the above collude together to overturn an election because the guy who wasn't supposed to win did.



    Have no doubt, we are in a civil war between conservative volunteer government and a leftist Democrat professional government.
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    Biased? Are you kidding? Come on, man. That shit is so full of logic holes and inaccurate info it's not even funny. Dems decided to gun down Republicans playing softball for charity?
    If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.

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    100% unadulterated bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole View Post
    100% unadulterated bullshit.

    BKb
    I'd put it closer to 80% horse apples.
    If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.

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    Things that make you go hmmm.

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    Something else kinda along these lines.

    How do you feel about the hearings for the open Supreme Court position? Should those hearings which are supposed to glean the candidates qualifications for the position be politicized or should they solely be based on the person’s qualifications for the job?


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    I thought Ruth Ginsberg's take on this was very interesting. She basically called bullshit on what we're doing these days with SC nominees.
    If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ3 View Post
    I thought Ruth Ginsberg's take on this was very interesting. She basically called bullshit on what we're doing these days with SC nominees.
    Agree, but both sides have dirty hands on both the special prosecutor issue and politicizing the USSC nomination process.
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke

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    No argument about that.


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    I think that the Democraps are rightfully pissed off for the unjustified roberry of their last nominee. It was pretty generally agreed that Garland was an excellent nominee and if you agree with that then the only answer left is that it was done to politicize the court with a more conservative justice. Pure fuckery by the Redumblicans. Now, the Democraps are fucking back. Big surprise.
    I would prefer that the Senate pass a law that reinstates the filibuster and the 60 vote threshold for approval of laws and nominations. Both parties are guilty as hell in making itwhat it is. Make them agree by law and if they don’t then allow the voters to refresh the congress with people who will.
    That’s about the only way I can see to put a damper on all this fuckwagonery.
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    I agree Posty. But..... I think the diagnosis is about 40 years too late. The Supreme Court is terribly politicized already. And so you have the ridiculous Kabuki theater of pretending to not vote based on political leaning all the while doing exactly that. Both sides. For decades.

    As for the OP? I have said it a hundred times and I'll say it again: You cannot accurately assess our problems in a right/left, conservative/liberal framework. The rise of populism we've seen on both sides of the aisle can only be explained by looking at what both right and left have agreed on. And then looking at the consequences of these long standing policies. Globalism? Free-trade? Mass immigration?

    These explosive but ignored issues are driving the bus now. And right and left have acted lock step in stifling any input from the citizenry on them for decades.

    If you squint your eyes and try not to focus too hard you can see how the political parties are being reshaped. And it isn't "conservative/liberal". It is more of a socialist lite versus nationalist/populist realignment. The two sides have a lot in common and at this point the biggest difference between the two looks to be mass immigration. But that might change. It is an explosive issue and trying to get the right balance of adding good people to our ranks without loading economic hardship on one group or the other because of it is a tough, but not unsolvable puzzle.

    Will

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    I’m still a believer in what Nixon called the ‘Silent Majority’, only in this case I believe the majprity of Americans are the centrists in each party. Notice the number of right leaning but libertarian politicians. They don’t call themselves libertarians but as in most thing the ones that do , like Rand Paul, are full of shit. I also believe that the current nincompoop in chief was elected by not just the 30% of core Deplorables, but also by discouraged independents who couldn’t bring themselves to vote for hillary. And Bernie supporters were very bitter about the Democrap process and I think most of them crossed over.
    There is a big bunch of voters waiting for a leader to emerge. Who that is, is apparently still up in the air. It ain’t Captain Bone Spurs. It ain’t Bernie Sanders. That leader may on the scene now but if he/she is, they are low profile.
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    why you post this Thumper.....I'm triggered now!




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    A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!

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    Very interesting Posty. I'll have to mull that over a bit.

    I read a very good article years back that maintained that fascism (the real thing, not the "you disagree with me so you are a fascist" stuff that gets thrown around) emerges from the center, not the fringes. That usually it is a reaction to policies that isolate the center and leave it largely powerless. Often economically against the wall. As the majority tries to stop whatever policies are hurting it they are stifled by those more powerful folks up the food chain. As they continue to get stymied they get more and more desperate and their attempts more extreme. It ends with someone promising to get things moving... your typical strongman who has permission to change the system in order to get things moving again. A bad combination.

    Not sure I would prop this up as gospel but it surely got the gears turning for me.

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    We haven’t seen a real good old fashioned fascist since Mussolini. A real fascist would scare the panties off of present day alt righters. Duterte might be the only modern day example of how real fascism acts.

    No, I don’t think the current nationalism, populism, whatever ism you want to call it is the rise of fascism in the US. Its just the rise of the mean and nasty side of our politics and our values. Its always been there, and we have had some mean and nasty crap going on throughout our history. And we veil it pretty thinly. We’re quite simply in love with ourselves and anyone who tries to point out our pimples and warts is just, well, un-American. Our hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    A good, christian friend of mine just posted on FB last week a meme that basically said when we were kids growing up we stood up in school every morning and said the pledge of allegiance and nowadays schools can’t do that any more. Which was news to me, since every school I know of at least in Oklahoma and Arkansas still does the same routine every single morning to start their day. When I privately challenged him on it, he said ‘well it could happen’. He didn’t correct it and got several responses in sad, head shaking, agreement. When did this level of dishonesty become acceptable? Sure, its just a stupid meme.
    As we grapple with problems caused by low moral character in our government my opinion is we’d best look first at our own damn values as well. As Pogo said, ‘we have met the enemy and they are us’.

    BkB

    Here was my friend’s exact meme.
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