I was at an estate sale 3-4 weeks ago and they had a storage shed FULL of jars, lids and seals. I'd have to guess maybe 15-20 cases of jars and the lids to go with them ... still new in the original boxes. I didn't pay a bit of attention to them, but maybe I should have now that youse dufes have informed me they're rare as hen's teeth. Thanks for nuttin'!