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    I am libertarian enough to agree with you on that sentiment Hombre, and ornery enough to point out that government currently picks winners and losers all the damn time. Then they stand at heir podiumsand claim to be free market believers.
    If its good enough for big business to be helped out, it oughta be good enough for little guys too. Especially when most of the big guys spit in your eye.

    I’m not advocating for mandatory vaccines, butI do think businesses are within their rights to.

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    we agree businesses are within their rights, and that the gov picks winners and losers......I'm just against the second one. Give me some credit here as I age I have to pick the Curmudgeon I'm going to be..I've chosen the get the government off my lawn

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    Good thinking!

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    That's some sick shit right there.
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    WTF?
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    On a serious note, I just read an article that my local hospital will be one of the first in the area to receive the vaccine and the first recipients will be healthcare workers at the highest risk for exposure.

    The hospital also will not be requiring employees to get the vaccine.

    As executive director of outpatient services at Cameron Memorial, Aldred said unlike the flu vaccine that's been tested for years, he doesn't think any health care or other employer will require workers to get the coronavirus vaccine because it's so new.

    Here is the quote from the article.

    "We want our staff members to be fully educated with up to date information on the vaccinations and on the vaccine, specifically the COVID vaccine, and to allow them to make their own choice for themselves and in the future for their families, on whether or not they're going to receive the vaccine," he said.

    This just kind of struck me that even people in the healthcare field may not be sure of the safety of the vaccine due to the hurried development and small amount of testing.


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    The next question is, will you voluntarily take it when offered?

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    DD, that was the same question I had when I read the story about the Oklahoma med workers having a choice.

    It sure doesn’t inspire confidence. It will be interesting to see what my doc says I should do. When my daughter tested positive during the summer my wife and I were checking into getting tested. My doc told me he wouldn’t send me to get tested unless I had symptoms, and if I had symptoms we’d know I had it so no reason to get tested at all.

    Yeah, I think I need to hunt for a new doc.

    We both plan to get the shot as soon as its available for us.

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    It’ll be interesting to see if this holds up. Talk about your slippery slopes.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/u...ronavirus.html
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    Just don't drink the water....you'll be fine.

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    Are we in Mexico yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole View Post
    It’ll be interesting to see if this holds up. Talk about your slippery slopes. BKb

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/03/u...ronavirus.html
    Well, kinda-sorta related as these people are boarding commercial flights. Here's what just happened in Thailand.

    More than 80 Thais who worked at a hotel in Myanmar at the centre of a recent COVID-19 outbreak sneaked back into Thailand illegally and avoided quarantine.

    The management of the 1G1-7 Hotel, which is located in Tachileik just 1.5 kilometres from the official border checkpoint at Mae Sai, said it employed 180 Thai women. The National News Bureau of Thailand on Friday reported that 84 of the women have returned to Thailand, mostly via illegal natural crossings along the porous border. Many of the women are understood to have skipped the mandatory quarantine procedures for anyone entering Thailand.

    At the time of publishing, Thailand has linked at least 14 COVID-19 cases to the hotel, including three cases in Chiang Mai, seven in Chiang Rai and one each in Bangkok, Phayao, Phichit and Ratchaburi.

    On Friday, Thailand’s Disease Control Department confirmed one of the cases was that of a 51-year woman, from Singburi province, who travelled on the same flight as a Thai worker, who snuck back to Mae Sai district of Chiang Rai from Tachilek. The worker had taken the same flight to Don Mueang as the woman from Singburi. Also on Friday, health officials in Chiang Mai confirmed that a 32 year old local man who had recently returned to the city after being employed as a DJ at the 1G1-7 Hotel had tested positive for COVID-19.

    Earlier this week, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said the full force of the law will be used against those who returned to Thailand illegally, evaded quarantine and caused the recent spike in cases in the country.

    Describing the illegal returnees as “selfish”, Mr Anutin said: “That should not have happened. The selfishness of a few people troubles many other Thai people. Although immigration is being restricted, the group of people sneaked through the border at will. They violated laws, “I ordered provincial health officials through disease control committees chaired by provincial governors to file complaints to take all possible legal action against the group of people. We are about to reopen the country but now measures must be reviewed.”
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    I won't be in any hurry to volunteer as a test subject for a very rushed vaccine implementation but thankfully our illustrious and much loved and respected Prime Minister, The Honourable Skippy McFucknutts Trudeau, has botched this so badly that we may have access to vaccines by Sept. next year. What a man!

    Seriously though, I no longer believe anything that the politicians, media or 'specialists' tell me about anything. I'll wait, watch and see what happens. Trying to make this mandatory will cause serious problems.

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    https://apple.news/AktjsZgBISnSsuDFYcVWZsw


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    No one will die from the flu this winter, only from covid19...follow the money.

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    Could be!

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    I’ve been wondering about that all through this process and have wondered since the beginning if there have been some back room deals made. Who would actually be responsible? The manufacturer? Or the government for waiving many of the checks and balances normally required? Have there been assurances from the government that since many of the hoops and hurdles were removed, that the manufacturers will not be liable for claims in the future? Much like the VA system. When I had my medical problems, I consulted numerous attorneys. They were ALL ready to go for the jugular and had dollar signs in their eyes, that is, UNTIL I mentioned the surgery was performed at the V. A. Then all of a sudden, they were extremely busy and told me I’d be better off going elsewhere. I finally gave up when I was told it was because the VA had a cap on malpractice claims which is (I think) $100,000. Law firms would only get excited if there were about three more zeros attached to that number. I have to wonder if there’s a waiver hidden in the fine print when you sign the release to get the vaccine, that it’s the responsibility of the “customer” and the administrator or manufacturer is not liable for any possible complications in the future? I just can’t imagine the drug companies who rushed the development, pushed through by the government, wouldn’t cover their asses in some way. Or is it ALL the money to be made? Like the Ford Pinto exploding gas tanks fiasco years ago, Ford knew of the problem, but did nothing about it because the profits would more than cover any eventual claims.
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    Why the hell do you think Moscow Mitch is stonewalling covid aid until the government gives big business immunity from liability? Teflon Don wants all the credit for everything but no responsibility for anything.

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    TBH, I've been taking a hiatus from the news since the election and am behind on what all is going on. I just reached a burn-out stage and was sick of it. That's hard to say for an ex-news junkie. They were simply my random thoughts and it appears, my personal non-issue is actually an existing issue. Thanks for the update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole View Post
    Why the hell do you think Moscow Mitch is stonewalling covid aid until the government gives big business immunity from liability? Teflon Don wants all the credit for everything but no responsibility for anything.

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    Its a good thing that Beijing Biden is gonna be in charge now so all of the worlds problems will be fixed.


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    This one hell of a mess we've got our self into Ollie

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    Nobody has ever claimed the world’s problems will be fixed with Biden in the Oval Office. Its became pretty pbvious though how far over the line Republican politicians will go to overthrow a legitimate election.

    Explain to me how this behavior and talk of secession and blasting our election process like its the same as Venezuela’s isn’t more unpatriotic than some fucker kneeling during the anthem at a BALL GAME.

    I’m sick ofthe double standard. And the majority of Americans are too.

    Elections have consequences. That’s what it means.
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    Double standards? You mean like blaming the Russians, wanting to do away with the “unfair” electoral college, wanting to add additional Justices to the Suprene Court, wanting to expand the coyntry to 52 states by adding totally LIBERAL D. C. and Puerto Rico. What’s that old saying about not throwing stones when living in glass houses?

    FWIW, I equate shit-head athletes kneeling during the National Anthem to the scum-buckets who burn the flag. Fuck those grossly overpaid whiney assholes.
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    I’m wondering when Biden has said any of those things. If you can find them I’d be interested in seeing them. You’re just chanting.

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    Yet even though Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is a backer of statehood, as are top Democrats in the House and Senate and some Florida Republicans, it’s unclear how much of a priority Puerto Rico would be if Democrats take control of the White House and Congress. The drive is complicated by a separate but often-paired push for statehood for the District of Columbia. http://https://wtop.com/dc/2020/10/p...r-dc-area/amp/

    Biden Punts on Expanding the Supreme Court, Calling for a Panel to Study Changes

    The Democratic presidential nominee said he would appoint a bipartisan commission to examine whether an overhaul is needed to the judiciary and to make recommendations.
    http://https://www.nytimes.com/2020/...cking.amp.html

    I don’t have time to validate any of this as we’re headed out the door right now. Some of the b/s can simply be rolled into the general Liberal agenda. You asked. Run with it. Catch ya’ later.
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