Wouldn't miss it, Big Skyz!
Wouldn't miss it, Big Skyz!
--Foo
It's weird thinking about smuggling weed nowadays when there's delivery services that'll bring it to your house within an hour. Legally.
--Foo
Hombre, I was looking hard at the new Ford electric F-150 Lightning.. Whatd'ya think about it?
BTW, my wife has her heart set on the Tesla truck. I absolutely HATE it. Oh well, that's what we do. She earned it putting up with by BS, that's for sure..
--Foo
Electric cars. Oh nooooo, you already drank a big dose of that left coast Kool-Aid!
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Wow. Now Foo is a Californian.
Whoa. Heavy.
BKB
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..and bought a car that gets 11mpg?Originally Posted by Thumper
Electric cars. Oh nooooo, you already drank a big dose of that left coast Kool-Aid!
--Foo
You know I haven't looked too much into the electric vehicles. Part of it is I want them to get better range, and part of it is me being hard headed. We plan on spending 50/50 time in Ok an Az in the next 2 years and I'm not sure I want to make a 14 hour trip in an electric. The wife is into looking at a new SUV so I'd love a review when your a few months in.
This is exactly why i didn't get one. but now it's costing me $80 to fill up my car at the pump every couple days. They have charging stations at work and there are people who haven't paid for gas (or electricity) for years... so jelly.
--Foo
Lynn's brother was an Engineer with Toyota his whole career. Started fresh out of college and stayed with them until he retired. He could drive most any vehicle in Toyota's fleet and for many years he drove nothing but their hydrogen car (Mirai). He absolutely LOVED that car and it became pretty much his personal driver. Of course they had a charging station at work and he had a list of the VERY limited stations around town. I rode in it and it was kind'a cool and the only thing that came out of the exhaust was a bit of water ... 'bout like a cup per mile if I remember correctly. He had a button on the dash he could push to purge the water, or it would do it automatically. He really hated to turn that car in when he retired.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Trust me if I was staying here I would have one tomorrow. Besides the charging stations at work they are always upfront in all locations.
We’re looking at a new crossover for the Mrs. if/when the prices come back down a bit. It will be a hybrid at a minimum. We’re looking at the plug-in hybrids pretty seriously as well due to the federal tax credit. We typically buy new and drive vehicles for 10 years and I just don’t think there will be much of a market for straight gas engines in another decade.
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Son bought a new Tesla last fall, it's their around town car, they have a Buick SUV for traveling.
That Tesla makes my 375hp Jaguar look like a 4 cylinder Escort off the line, even being an AWD vehicle.
I can finally catch up and pass him around 50mph.
The 300 mile range works well for what they us it for, his friend bought on before he did and drove the family from MI to FL. Tesla will provide you with a map showing all the charging stations, motels with charging stations and restaurants with them.
300 miles doing 70mp is 4 hours of driving, worked out well for food stops, potty breaks etc.
I had a chance to order a hybrid instead of my gas engine, but it was good for about 50 miles before the gas engine took over.
The battery was nothing more than an oversized car battery, but about 5k more.
The older I get, the better I was. I also forget my password and have to have Len reset it for me
I’m pretty uninformed about the Tesla’s and other electric vehicles, how long does it take for a full charge?
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With their "Super Charging Station" typically what you see at Motels, Shopping Centers, ect. A full charge in 15-25 minutes.
The older I get, the better I was. I also forget my password and have to have Len reset it for me
Good to know. I was thinking if you had to stop for an hour or so every 300 miles it would be a really long trip.
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What I seen is sometimes you can expect 30 minutes, but like JB said, you plan it around rest/food stops.
--Foo
Price to be paid for those quick charges though, lowers your battery life. Dramatically. So they rate the lifespan with long/slow charges.
I was particularly impressed with the Lightning's range extending battery pack. You can go from 230 miles to 300 for only $20,000.... argh. Thing weighs 6300 pounds. For a half ton. That is not a typo. So you replace a half ton chassis with a 3/4 ton chassis and drive around with 1500 pounds in the bed all the time.
This is what happens when you try to shoe horn a new and very different energy source into an old technology that evolved to take advantage of the previous energy source. A debacle. IF you believe in global warming (and I do) then you have to use your head about things. This simply isn't the way to go. Cars and transport infrastructure MUST look different to get this to work. As it is we're making $100K virtue signaling devices and calling them green. They are not.
Transport in the US is 30% of greenhouse gas emissions. Half of that is private transport (privately owned passenger cars and pickups). If you are unbelievably optimistic, electric cars can eliminate maybe half of that in a perfect world. 7.5%..... IF you believe it can happen. Good luck.
You can believe in global warming and still believe electric cars are the way to go only in certain areas and certain applications.
Will
There are a lot of other questions involved in the shift to electric transportation.
How much ecological damage is done by the mining of the rare earth elements required to make the batteries? Does it offset any benefits of the lower emissions?
What about disposal of the used up batteries?
There is a lot that needs done before a complete switch can be made.
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"Never try to fight an Old Dude. If you win, there's no glory; if you lose, your reputation is shot."
Don't those evil power plants have to crank out nasty electricity to run all those charging stations? Or will they be hooked up to separate little windmills?
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
I agree with both of you.
It's a predicament. And you know the difference between a problem and a predicament right? Short answer: A problem has a solution, a predicament does not. It can only be coped with.
I started a shit throwing fight the other day on linkedin when I made an honest statement. I said that IF you eliminate forced & child labor from supply chains, enforced EPA like environmental rules on the mining operations, and made recycling mandatory.... then I did not honestly think you could bring a full sized electric vehicle to market at twice the cost of a conventional one. I really do believe that.
But I also believe that global warming is happening. It's not a good place to be I can tell you that.
Will
I agree that climate change is real. I’ve seen studies of the deep polar ice and the changes since the start of the industrial revolution is pretty clear that an industrialized society has made a major negative impact.
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"Never try to fight an Old Dude. If you win, there's no glory; if you lose, your reputation is shot."
Yes, the you know exactly what it feels like don't you?
I kind of envy those people who can dismiss it as some kind of conspiracy. And those who believe that all we have to do is electrify and it will all be just fine. We won't even have to change the way we live! Yay Technology!
But if you acknowledge it is real? And you can't bring yourself to believe that the proposed 'cure' for this is anything other than utopian inspired lunacy?
My farm has been in the family since it was first settled in 1830. My wife asked me once what I thought it would look like in another 200 years. I told her I thought it would look a lot like it does now.... but with draft horses. Another honest response that could get me disowned by my colleagues.
Will
A while back I started seriously trying to study up on the issue. I'm sure I've forgotten most of what I read over that period of time, but I remember zeroing in on the Ice Age. I remember the start of the Ice Age was caused by some cyclical period where the Earth's axis tilts just enough to cause the climate change bringing on the drop in temps. Then I read that after studying air bubbles trapped in ancient ice accumulated around the time of the END of the Ice Age, scientists discovered higher concentrations of CO2. I don't remember where the CO2 came from, but it was long before cars and power plants! Volcanos maybe? I also read that after studying ancient weather/temperature cycles, the earth is right now, in the period for the next ice age to come about. BUT .... with the current trend toward global warming .... AGAIN caused by higher CO2 levels, the warming will counter-balance the ice age cooling and a modern ice age probably will not happen.
So, after trying to educate myself on the subject, I ended up even MORE confused than I was before ... when I knew almost nothing about the subject! Now, if what I learned is true, isn't global warming actually a GOOD thing by preventing another Ice Age? It hurts my head to try thinking through all that, so I think I'll just continue living as I have been. I don't have enough time left to worry about it anyway. I am all for conservation and cutting down on litter (recycling) etc, but trying to CONTROL Mother Nature, I believe, is above all of our pay grades!
That said, I just attended the Tampa RV Show a couple weeks ago and saw displays of Winnebago and Thor's plans for all electric motor homes (I think the Thor had a range extender, can't remember). Oh boy ....
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
That sounds pretty rational Jim.
I tell all of my students when the subject comes up (rarely) that I believe in global warming. But I don't hold it against anyone for believing differently. The science of global warming covers dozens of different disciplines. No one on this earth has the background in all of them to where they don't have to accept someone else's word for some critical part of the theory.
It inspires a bit of humility when you look at it in total.
Will
10K years ago, where I sit now was over a mile under a layer of ice, ya, I may be old, but not that old.
I'm with the people that say "you can't fool Mother Nature"
Who really knows the history or earth, what civilizations came and went, or even the true length of time humans were around.
Those are things I'm looking forward to learning when it's time for me to leave the earth.
The older I get, the better I was. I also forget my password and have to have Len reset it for me
I think if. people are still dwelling on whether climate change is real or not thenthey’re being willfully ignorant. Its in the record. Recent history even. I live in a part of the country where we have cyclical drought. When the Dust Bowl happened, the climate change part was natural and predictable. What did farmers here do? They doubled their plantings because they thought the weather just had to break.
Its not whether its real, it how we adapt. We can cause tipping points to natural phenomenae likewhat’s happening with water in the west, and all the climate science in the world eon’t change it.
We’re developing land here faster than you can shake a stick at. Population is our problem, and what to do with it and all of its poo.
BKB
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That's some big moves!
Beer is good.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
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