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    We simply cannot allow this kind of common sense to continue......how frightening!!

    The age of outrage

    Now that the weasels in suits running the A&E network have done the commercially expedient thing and reinstated Phil Robertson, some passing observations regarding our latest case of political correctness run amok.

    First is the difficulty in identifying precisely what it was that Robertson said in his interview with GQ magazine that was so offensive as to cause him to be (temporarily) fired. Perusing his actual comments, as opposed to how the media reported them in their efforts to fan controversy, they seemed to consist of two fairly dreary and noncontroversial claims-that heterosexuals (like Robertson) are perplexed by the appeal of homosexuality and that Christian teaching disapproves of it as “sinful.”

    As to the first point, even if the Duck Dynasty patriarch stated it with a bit more anatomical candor than needed, isn’t it inherent in the logic of the distinction between straight and gay that the former finds the latter’s sexual preferences perplexing and vice-versa? On the second, we are merely left to wonder when it became a firing offense to quote scripture.

    News reports of the interview also claimed that Robertson compared homosexuality to bestiality, but he didn’t. Merely listing a range of “sins” identified within religious dogma doesn’t imply any equivalence among them (only that they are defined as sins). One could, for instance, list dozens of behaviors that our legal system defines as crimes without claiming that driving over the speed limit and committing murder are comparable offenses, just as in political theory we can correctly toss both Hitler’s Germany and Ferdinand Marcos’ Philippines into the dictatorship category without implying some equivalence in their ghastliness.

    All of which leaves us with several unanswered questions, including whether there can be any compatibility or even room for compromise between an increasingly aggressive gay-rights movement and evangelical Christianity. More to the point, do Christians henceforth have to discard their longstanding doctrinal beliefs, or at least muzzle their expression, lest they suffer Robertson’s fate? Even those of us who don’t often find our way into a church pew might consider this a bizarre outcome in a country founded by refugees seeking religious freedom.

    Going further, and assuming that the battle for gay marriage has been essentially won, what is the next step for the gay-rights movement in the sense of the broader desired outcome-the establishment of an adequate level of tolerance and respect for gays in American society (which would likely entail some conception of equality before the law, including legal protection from overt acts of discrimination or mistreatment), or a more ambitious mandatory approval of homosexuality by everyone? And if it is the latter, how can it be pursued without a fair amount of bullying, intimidation and coercion, with any dissent suppressed by the threat of dire punishments?

    The thought emerges that this is about to get awfully tricky; the term “homophobe” is tossed about a great deal more than it is defined and there appears to be considerable uncertainty as to what kinds of things we need to say and not say to avoid classification as one.

    At the least, such enforced conformity on a subject around which there will always be a wide range of views gives off the totalitarian whiff and is obviously antithetical to the ethos of a free society. There is, after all, a substantial difference between tolerating something and being forced to grant it approval.

    Finally, when did we as a nation become so thin-skinned and easily offended such that we feel compelled to seek to crush any opinions that we disagree with? And what conceivable catastrophe was feared to ensue from Robertson’s comments lest he be swiftly reprimanded? As columnist Charles W. Cooke accurately noted, “Phil Robertson’s words quite literally affected nobody. They’re words.”

    Indeed, are gays in contemporary America really so sensitive and insecure, and their status so vulnerable, that they cowered under their beds for days for fear that they would be the victims of mass lynching inspired by some scraggly old guy from the Louisiana swamps spouting Corinthians? And has the fear of giving offense become so great that we must now curtail freedom of speech and expression in case their exercise causes unendurable moral anguish in the reader or listener?

    Aren’t Americans, gay and straight, black and white, male and female alike made of sterner stuff than that? And if they aren’t, shouldn’t they be? More to the point, how much further does this kind of nonsense have to go before the marketplace of ideas disappears and debate over more and more subjects ceases?

    Deep down we all know what is happening here, don’t we? Because we suspect that it would take a long search to find a single gay person who was actually surprised or truly traumatized by what some reality TV character said in a magazine interview, and that the ensuing “outrage” was as ginned up and fake as could be; that it was all about teaching a lesson to those who might dissent from the new (and still evolving) orthodoxy on homosexuality.

    In the end, though, the more amusing lesson was the one in basic mathematics taught to A&E---that there are a lot more Christians in America than gays.
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    Oh brother. Not again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole View Post
    Oh brother. Not again.

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    Agree^...But he has a point though...

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    Amen.... Again

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    I disagree. A&E did what any employer does when something like this comes up. They didn't fire him, they suspended him while they sorted it all out. They took a thoughtful, measured approach and made the right decision. Bucky will say that it should have never required a thought, but he'll be wrong. It could have done damage to their brand and that is what puts beans on their table.
    Lastly, A&E runs the only prime time program I know of that show religious people in a completly truthful and non-cynical way. And in doing that I think they are not only unique, but showing some balls in doing it.

    For those two things, they are being called weasels in suits? First off, get over it. Secondly, you're tilting at windmills. There's no discrimination against christians or christianity or nutty viewpoints about sex. Its all good.

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    The government tells us “We should NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics."

    However, on the other hand "We are also encouraged to judge ALL Gun Owners by the actions of a few lunatics."
    How is that supposed to work?

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    I don't get the connection, Larke. I think you have a good point but don't see what it has to do with this.

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    Hussein OBummer quote about us white rednecks clinging to our guns and religion.

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    This is a chat site.

    I chatted.

    And I am personally discriminated against all the time, so you are dead wrong and I have living proof. Your opinion on that is inane (ain't that a cool word?).
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    I WILL tell you guys something. I doubt you'll do it, but I bet it'd open your eyes.

    You would not believe what I am perceived as, on another hunting chat site. I am the one viewed as the "Liberal" because I am constantly requiring folks to prove their assertions, and telling them they are bearing false witness just to make false claims against their enemies. But they don't care, and say so. Their attitude is that they hate Liberals and will go to their grave spitting on them, and like doing it, and won't quit just cause their points might or might not be valid.

    Here, I'm Attila the Hun. There, I'm a Liberal.

    I really doubt you guys would even believe the stuff that is said over there. But it's worth reading, and knowing about, to realize what America is made up of. I think you'd be amazed.
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    I don't think you're Attila the Hun. We're diametrically opposed on several issues regarding politics mainly, but I still love to read your opinions and you're still my friend. People who hate other people based solely on their politics is actually pretty moronic if you think about it. And all in the name of what?

    I still like to poke at you though and you like to poke at me. Now Captain. That's another story.....whew!

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    Buckster ... I don't think that site makes you a Liberal ... I'd say it's more like the site is "Far Right" ... not much better IMHO than the "Far Left".

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    But you're so OBSTINATE! And OBTUSE! And INANE (STILL a cool word).

    Me? I'm just obese. But I ain't arrogant about it!
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    Thump, I agree. I am dang sure not a Liberal. And that site doesn't make me one. But they CALL me one when I 'require' them to prove their wild assertions.
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    And obsequious!

    and clairvoyant!

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    OK. I am bowing out. Never get into a War of Words when I'm unarmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarryBobPosthole View Post
    And obsequious!

    and clairvoyant!

    BKB
    Those sound kinda gay.

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    Posthole, you would be board to death if I was not here for you to try to keep inline.

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    And you do a fine job of that, Captain!

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    I just continually find it so incredibly amazing that someone so intelligent can be SO far off base so often on so many topics.......... I have my theories, though!!
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    Bucky, hate to say it but,,,

    You are kinda liberal.
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    And THAT'S an example of the "Far Right"!

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    Any of you guys like Ron Paul?

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    I like lots about him. Don't want him for POTUS though. Makes a great Senator.
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    I hate to say this and I'm waiting for the earth to start shaking ... but I pretty much agree with the Buckster.

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    I like Ron a hell of a lot better than Rand.

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