thanks for all the input. I looked at both BGE and a Primo this weekend. The BGE seemed to be a little more solidly made and their warranty is lifetime vs 20 years on the primo if that really is a difference. The primo oval shape, the grate sitting up higher, and the split grate did look like a plus for them.

Trav thanks I appreciate the offer and need to try and take a look at it sometime. I did see a plain model vision at Sam's.