Everything that involves spending citizens money and or their health is political, but not everything is a joke....
Would you rather the citizens and or elected officials have no say or be allowed to express an opinion? Just one person making the decisions?
I'm trying hard to understand what you meant by it being politicized? It HAS to be. Sometimes the conservative way is the right way and sometimes the liberal way is correct but it has to be hashed out.
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I hold your hand and nod yes with you on the individual accountability of taking the plane trip as well as others.
And it is those type stupid decisions that is gonna let this thing get out of hand
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Use hand sanitzer!Originally Posted by Captain
I agree that this is something that can get out of control quickly. I do think they actual danger is much lower than other flu strains that kills thousands of Americans. But that is as it stand right now. Like Larke said, it can change pretty quickly. It's not an airborne threat BUT, and it's a huge but (like Jimmy), if that nurse sneezed on the plane, that virus can and will spread because of it.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
If the purpose of the political 'discussion' was to find an answer I might agree with you Larke. But what has happened is politicians are spreading fear to further their agenda. that's a shitload more cynical of an attitude than making a joke about it if you ask me.
Personally, I think Ebola spreading to the US is the least of our worries. An entire continent on earth getting economically and politically destabilized worries me much more. This could start WWIII. and I'm dead serious when I say that.
BKB
it is likely that the span of time between 1970-2025 will probably be the most interesting time in history. In the context of history being taught to high school and college students in the year 2050 or so.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
For the fourth time, the flu is also not airborne...
airborne means the spores can live in the air...........but the flu, and ebola, are transmitted by sneezing (explosive droplets can go 50 feet), wiping your hands on a newspaper than another guy picks it up, shopping carts, you name it. Both are easily transmittable. Hiding behind "it's not airborne" is disingenuous.
WARNING - Due to the rising costs of ammunition, warning shots will no longer be given.
I wasn't hiding behind that. I only push back when someone says you would have to bathe in ebola laden feces to contract the virus
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
I agree that almost all politicians spread fear, b/s, lies, innuendo, and any other thing to further their agenda. But heck, everyone I know does the same thing. Folks have become divided, and their bias shows in almost every talk they have with anyone about anything. Leaving that out entirely....well, I just don't see it from anyone. Somehow, some way, every talk, every idle chit chat, sooner or later turns to "I'm right and you're wrong". Some have even adopted it as the main way of poking fun and joking.
No one I know right now, is even slightly capable of admitting to being wrong. I've had that affliction for many years, and I'm TRYING to see the light. But as I seem to be inching in that direction, everyone else is jumping over logs in the other direction. And it's on every subject.
My phone rings off the hook. Nonstop. Politicians have learned how SS7 and the phone system works, and display false numbers, lately mostly cell phone numbers, to get you to answer. NRA even does it. To me, that makes you a liar before I even listen to you. So, I don't answer. But every one of them want to talk.........NOT about what their hopes are......NOT about what they want to accomplish.......but about how bad the 'other' guy is. And what's sad is, they're right. He IS bad!
So.......then it gets blurry because there are things in life that are too important to compromise on. So how do you handle those? It gets hard, because if you defend absolute truth, you too are labeled as only having an agenda.
I've said it for years......there is black, there is white, there is gray.....and wisdom is knowing the difference.
But you can't just hide behind the hypocrisy of others on an important subject. If it's important, it's important, and worthy of discussion. If others politicize it, so be it. They can answer for themselves. I believe this disease, and how our elected and appointed officials are handling it, is worthy of such discussion. If a bunch of blowhards want to 'politicize' it, then I ignore them. That's why I usually avoid TV news. It's sound bites and 2 second b/s and it's not possible to accurately figure out the truth. It's why I pay an exorbitant price to still read a newspaper. Even then, I don't read the front page unless my wife points something out to me, or something really, really interesting is happening.
But I'm convinced that folks' inability to simply say "You know, I am wrong on that one" is killing us.
WARNING - Due to the rising costs of ammunition, warning shots will no longer be given.
I'm not sure what the airborne thing has to do with anything other than its just another log on the panic fire. But since we're comparing ebola to other virus caused flus, look at the H1N1 and SARS pandemics just not that many years ago. H1N1 I believe came form MExico didn't it? Did we place a travel ban on people flying in from MExico? No. Did people cross the border in a wave and infect Americans? No. Do some reading on what happened in the Ukraine during the H1N1 epidemic and you'll see what politicizing something like this results in. they locked the whole goddamned country down. And it prevented nothing other than it solidified the power of the people in office. Did we put a travel ban on people coming in detect SARS? No. and look at TB, which is highly contagious. there are MILLIONS of people with TB in Africa and Asia. MILLIONS. And its a very contagious disease.
What is needed to solve this Ebola crap is common sense. We need a vaccine. Some pharma company will develop one I'm sure and the antigovernment conspiracy theorists will again come out of the woodwork like they did with SARS and H1N1. Remember when everyone looked to the government to produce enough vaccine for everyone and it was a big political hoo hah about how stupid the government is?
Same shit, different day.
Calm the fuck down.
BKB
If anyone is calmed up between the two of us, I'd have to say it ain't me!
I didn't say I was calmed up. I said that you simply can't hide behind "it ain't airborne so it won't spread"...........that's all. Airborne is not understood by most folks. I am NOT comparing Ebola to the flu..........but you seem to be. Ebola is Michael Jordan. The flu is the 7th grade girl shooting hoops in the back yard. There's your comparison.
We need a vaccine??? Is THAT your hope?? That's what's gonna save us???
Crap son. That's crazy. Ain't no one gonna develop a vaccine. Good grief. And you can't compare fatal hemmoraghic fever with bird flu. Well, not validly anyway. Some similarities. But.......this is way more deadly. This is bad stuff. This is worthy of fear.
And the government IS stupid. Never ever have they done anything that wasn't stupid. And it's progressive. They get stupider. Geez (again).
WARNING - Due to the rising costs of ammunition, warning shots will no longer be given.
I know you will disagree, but developing a vaccine is the ONLY long term solution to the Ebola epidemic. And if it becomes a pandemic, then it becomes even more critical.
and I used the comparison of the h1n1 and SARS virus because they are transmitted much the same way as ebola. In that sense they are more on an equal basis.
BKB
BKB
Well, I HOPE they develop one. But they've had quite a while already.
And yes, I already said a bunch of times that ebola and flu's are transmitted the same way.
WARNING - Due to the rising costs of ammunition, warning shots will no longer be given.
Oh, they'll develop a vaccine now that white people are getting it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
Boom... and CD slides in with his usual succinct noticing
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
Jesse's and Al's exact accusation about two days, ago.
Southern Gentleman
Fear mongering and politics aside (or as aside as they can be)
Ebola is a virus
It can be spread easily. From surfaces, sneezes, bodily fluids, physical contact, bedding, etc.
It is far more deadly than other strains of influenza viruses - other viruses kill the very old and very young. This one kills anyone.
The initial symptom is a low grade fever which millions of people get every single day that turn out to be innocuous
The virus can live on a surface for up to six days
From my personal calculations on recorded cases since 1976 the fatality rate is 67.3%
For me, that's enough to be pretty concerned about it. Especially since I live about 3 miles from a very congested international airport. Comparing that with what we've done with other threats isn't relevant to the facts, that's politics and opinion.
That's all I got to say about the subject.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
I just got this in an email, so it's prolly false....
"""9 Reasons Why You Need To Calm The F*ck Down About Ebola In America"""
http://elitedaily.com/news/world/why...a-hype/784344/
Southern Gentleman
Man. Shepard Smith friggin nailed it.
Can somebody tell me what age group Generation Y is? I must've missed out on that. X is what I thought we were up too. And what happens when we get to Z? No more generations or do we go to another naming system?
BKB
For the record, I'm not freaking out. I think it's highly unlikely that Ebola will create a wide spread problem in the US. I also think our public institutions have had their heads up their a$$es on this thing from the get go. As a result, innocent American are going to die unnecessarily. That pisses me off even if it's just a few of them. If turns out to be any of my loved ones, I'm going to rain down hellfire and damnation on some folks.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
Gen·er·a·tion Y: noun
1. The generation born in the 1980s and 1990s, comprising primarily the children of the baby boomers and typically perceived as increasingly familiar with digital and electronic technology.
2. The generation of people born during the 1980s and early 1990s. The name is based on Generation X, the generation that preceded them.
Members of Generation Y are often referred to as “echo boomers” because they are the children of parents born during the baby boom (the “baby boomers”). Because children born during this time period have had constant access to technology (computers, cell phones) in their youth, they have required many employers to update their hiring strategy in order to incorporate updated forms of technology. Also called millennials, echo boomers, internet generation, iGen, net generation.
Southern Gentleman
What Hank said. I don't freak out.
On a funny note. I just had lunch at the Pizza Hut buffet (don't judge). Usually blue collar dudes & fat nerds eat there. A very African looking dude walks in and you would have thought it was an EF Hutton commercial. I felt bad for the poor dude but at the same time it was pretty damn funny.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
Hi! I'm Cyprian Ukwende!
BKB
QUOTE-Leonard: """Usually blue collar dudes & fat nerds eat there."""
Ummmm, which group did you sit with, Leonard???
(Sorry, dude, you left yourself wide open for that one.
Southern Gentleman
He was at the Yuppie table.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
Prolly drinking a Nancy-Boy beer...He was at the Yuppie table.
fever which millions of people get
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Gentlemen? table for two? Your stool is ready.
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