No, that's also totally invalid.
Many people are saying it's questionable, and I'm one of them. YOU are debating that fact, and using as 100% proof some lawyer's OPINION, which I've shown you over and over is NOT a legal precedent. QA even told you of a LEO he knows that WILL arrest you for it.
Then, you are berating me for not agreeing with your untenable position.
Ball game time. Night.
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Open Carry may be legal here.
But some blonde AG's opinion is NOT the way to prove that.
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The ONLY way you can be right on this, is if they rewrite/change the law from where it is now.....Originally Posted by Buckrub
Scott, listen.
The previous AG said it was ILLEGAL. This one says LEGAL.
Both opinions are based on the SAME law.
Yet for some reason, you want to hang your hat on ONLY this AG's opinion. If an AG opinion is as binding as you say, how do we reconcile the last two OFFICIAL opinions, that are contradictory?
The current law, as it is written, means something. What that something is, cannot be legally and officially determined by an AG opinion. It CAN be determined by a Higher Court ruling. That's where it has to come from to be certain.
This is not a hard concept. I think you can get it, you just like what Rutledge said so you aren't going to admit she's not a binding legal precedent.
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Listen Bill
You've put me down and insulted me in almost EVERY ONE of your replies, right now, you're fucking wrong, deal with it !
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Unbiased opinion here....
I think buckster is right.
If it is the way it's been explained then how the hell could he be wrong?
Tell ya what.
Yall bofe start walking the streets openly carrying and you'll soon find out who's right.
Just don't walk past QA's LEO buddy.
Assuming I was stopped tomorrow walking down the street open carry by the LEO. All I'd have to do is pull the news clip up on my phone and let the LEO watch it.....It clearly says you can open carry . I don't see what the problem is. ?
Don't tase me bro.
BKB
Question, what's happening with that dufe who was arrested in Bald Knob? Are they dropping the charges? It seems that would explain what the law is. Does your legislature know how to write laws in English? Why is the interpretation so muddy in the first place?
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
He was convicted. Guilty.
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I'm not putting YOU down, man. I'm putting down this ONE opinion of yours. You're dead, flat, plain wrong. You started this by saying "This is now official. We can legally open carry".
THAT is dead, flat, wrong. You are a smart man. You are a good man. But on THIS ONE THING, you are wrong.
Sorry.
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The LEO would say "I don't care what some lawyer says. That isn't binding. Show me a court precedent".
There is ONE and ONLY one court precedent so far. Guilty. It says you can NOT open carry. Pay a fine. Guilty.
Will this ultimately be found to be legal to open carry per THIS law? Yes, I think so. But not as of today, and the AG opinion is not the sole criteria, and certainly not some news clip for gosh sakes. When did a news clip become legal precedent???
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Well, I guess that pretty well sums it up. 'Course he may win on appeal, who knows? But I see your point Bucky and you're probably right. I think there are a few people in Arkie government who need to be tarred and feathered for letting this confusion go on though. But that's just MHO. What a screwed up mess.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (KTHV) – State officials are voicing their interpretations of the current open carry law in Arkansas.
The Lieutenant Governor and Attorney General believe the current gun law allows Arkansans to carry handguns openly. The issue came about because of confusion surrounding a law passed in 2013.
Lt. Governor Tim Griffin said, "Despite what former Attorney General Dustin McDaniel said, I believe the law, as written, does authorize open carry."
Meanwhile Attorney General Leslie Rutledge said, "Anytime law enforcement and citizens disagree on a law we need to ensure there is clarity to protect our citizens."
Both agree open carry is legal until the legislature passes a measure clarifying the issue.
Side note for the board
Bucky, is siding with the interpretation of a Democratic ..... just for the record.
Truth me known, he's a closet liberal.
He even loves french fries.
BKB
Yea and he dips them in ranch dressing or mayo.... Yuk!
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
North Carolina has open carry. However they have a charge called "going armed to the terror of the public"
Basically it's OK to carry open but you should not carry into a place where you are likely to cause panic. Like a bank or some such place.
I don't really agree with it but it's what we have.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
Personally, I don't care for open carry. It would be MUCH easier for me, as the dress code here is basically shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops year 'round. Concealed carry can be a bit of a hassle, especially if you want to carry anything more than a .380! BUT, that said, I look at open carry as an "in your face" thing. We gun owners face enough criticism from the general public without walking around town looking like Marshall Dillon. Besides, I kinda like the element of surprise if someone decideds to "F" with me. I really don't want some perp to know I have a gun so he can plan on how to handle whatever he has in mind (or take it from me using HIS element of surprise). Maybe it would be a deterrent, maybe an invitation, who knows?
I remember years ago, Bubbles was basically "bragging" about the time she and a large group of her cohorts decided to walk into a restaurant as a large group for dinner one night, and each had their sidearms strapped on in open-carry mode. It was nothing more than an "in your face", "look at me, look at me" move IMHO. I love Bubbles to death, but that story kind of went against the grain for me.
That said, I have to pretty much side with No-Till on the AG's interpretation. If you can't go by what the AG says, who CAN you go with? BUT ... I suppose there's still room there for argument because I don't know how the Arkansas government is actually set up, so possibly Bucky is correct. It seems even the AG's power fluctuates from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
In most common law jurisdictions, the attorney-general is the main legal advisor to the government, and in some jurisdictions he or she may also have executive responsibility for law enforcement, prosecutions or even responsibility for legal affairs generally. In practice, the extent to which the attorney-general personally provides legal advice to the government varies between jurisdictions, and even between individual office-holders within the same jurisdiction, often depending on the level and nature of the office-holder's prior legal experience.
You posted a statement from the Lieutenant Governor, what does the GOVERNOR say? It appears somebody in Arkansas needs to get their shit together. The Indians are running the show, but the Chiefs seem to be AWOL.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
No, it's even worse. He pours gravy on them like some Yankee liberal.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
That's a low blow...
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
We've had open carry here in Oklahoma since 2012. I had a lot of the same reservations that you guys do but to be honest, there's really not much difference in the places I go. I rarely see anyone openly carrying. And there's not been any real drama to speak of either. There is some stuff going on in Okie City regarding a street carnival and concert that wants to be a weapon free zone that's got the usual crazies from both sides arguing in the paper, but its a tempest in a teapot. There also hasn't been any appreciable change in crime either way, which was one of the things open carry was supposed to discourage.
My take on it now? Let people do what they want to. At least here, the public is handling it very well, thank you.
BKB
That's pretty much the way it is everywhere I've been where open carry is legal. Most folks choose no to. I agree, to each his own, I just don't care for it "personally" and doubt there would be many instances where I'd choose to carry openly.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
I can discuss whether I like it or not all day. I understand both sides to that argument. This is not that argument.
I understand what Scott is saying. I am NOT trying to claim that Open Carry is, or is not, legal. I know that those who want it, are clamoring over this law that THEY think is clear, and now this AG's opinion that it's legal. Of course, they didn't much care for the last AG's opinion on it!
And that's my point. A person can NOT validly use an O P I N I O N of a lawyer to state what is, or is not legal........because that would mean that in Arkansas this law meant open carry was illegal from the time it was passed till yesterday, and the same law means that open carry is legal as of yesterday. Now, geez, guys..........that's patently absurd.
And THAT was, and remains, my sole point. I would hope and pray that either the Bald Knob case gets to the S.C. and is ruled that it's legal, or that the Legislature fixes it. The former is possible, the latter is probably not. As Jim says, Arkansas is a political mess and always will be. Nutbags from Gooberville have always run this state, and always will. And most of them would look for 2nd base on a football field.
And I don't know if I'm siding with a Democrat or not. I don't know which one. I haven't sided with anyone yet. I have merely stated a FACT that an AG opinion is not binding. That's all I've said. And besides, even if I was doing that, how do you know the Democrat isn't siding with me??
And I do like gravy on french fries. Gravy goes on potatoes. Ketchup goes on french fries. Vinegar, however, does NOT (and yes, you know who you are!). But I don't really care much for french fries at all. If I get them as a side when I order a hamburger, e.g., I usually eat about 5 of 'em.
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Legisators asked Leslie Rutledge two and a half months ago, this was not a snap decision made over cocktails one night.
I am so happy that her NON BINDING decision was made slowly.
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Dustin McDaniel has a cabin about 5 minutes from me, I think will ride over and tell him I found his only supporter on open carry.
You have not read ONE word from me on this thread about my personal opinion of whether it's legal or not legal.
Not one word.
I have one point only. And that is, that your original contention that an AG opinion is binding and officially legal, is wrong.
IF you ride over there, tell him you believe HIS AG opinion is bunk, and Leslie's is valid and binding.........on the same law.
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One question Bill, and I want either a yes or a no answer. Do you believe with the law we have written now, do believe that open carry is legal in Arkansas at stated ?
And for the record, I know Dustin and his wife very well .
No.
And for the record, I am a STAUNCH supporter of Open Carry. Ask Thump. We've argued it for years.
I am sad that this law had a chance to be written correctly, and wasn't. It's too vague. The Bald Knob case proves that. And Leslie's ruling is no more binding than Dustin's was. That was my sole point.
I believe the Bald Knob case will come to a higher court and THEN, and ONLY THEN, will we have a legal precedent.
And this is my first shot in THIS thread of stating my opinion.
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