Oh, ok, that's what you were talking about in your first post then. I guess the name multi-flora rose kinda threw me and I picture some sort of wild rose (which I've dealt with also). Does the multi-flora rose ever bloom? If so, I've never witnessed that stage, but now I can TOTALLY relate, I just never knew what it was called. That has to be the nastiest stuff I've ever dealt with. The worst part about the thorns, they're angled down so that they grab on like fish hooks ... and they DO NOT break off ... they just rip and tear!