If Apple can access encrypted data on one or all of their devices then why not just print it out and give that to law enforcement? No keys given, just the data in question in hardcopy form.
What if this was an android phone running a third party encryption program? Who would they go after?
The google fucks in Reston, VA.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
You android users are fuqued.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
A 6 year old can hack a droid. That's what I been telling y'all for years.
A Government that pays people to do nothing destorys their willingness to do anything!
This isn't about getting into a phone, this is about getting into everybody's phone.
What are we willing to sacrifice for our so called security?
There is not such thing as apple making a backdoor and keeping it secure, it will leak like anything else that has leaked from apple, android, winblows, etc.
I think too, because cell phones didn't exist when privacy laws were made we have to decide if the law gets a supeona, does that mean absolutely every thing we own and do is open to the law's view? What kind of new fishing expeditions can they go on given what they've asked for in the supeona?Originally Posted by quercus alba
it could be as simple as pulling someone over because the cop sees someone looking at a phone and then demanding to see the phone to see if the driver has been texting or not. Is that an invasion of privacy? Could he look at it if the person had been pulled over for a tail light out?
Those aren't he most onerous examples, but they are examples of how open we are to scrutny.
Here's a question about current law. If someone has a warrant to search my house, do I have to provide the combinatin of my gun safe? Can they legally destroy it to open it if I won't give it up?
Same go for any locked up shit?
BKB
Apple can do it, and I'm certain that there are lots of people that can do it without engaging Apple at all.
Mcafee said:
“And why do the best hackers on the planet not work for the FBI? Because the FBI will not hire anyone with a 24-inch purple mohawk, 10-gauge ear piercings, and a tattooed face who demands to smoke weed while working and won’t work for less than a half-million dollars a year. But you bet your ass that the Chinese and Russians are hiring similar people with similar demands and have been for many years. It’s why we are decades behind in the cyber race.”
I think he's right. The suit and tie government is radically behind and the bureaucracy has caught up. Why would anyone in their right mind think it is a good idea to give a government a backdoor. If they don't have the ability to create this themselves how will they keep it safe. I mean wholly shit they couldn't even create a running website for ACA (Had to call in Google) now they want to have a golden key to everyone's system.
I think the reason the FBI is not building the tool is because in order to do that they would have to reverse engineer the iphone OS and that is illegal.
Ha ha ha! I seriously doubt that's the reason.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness" - Mark Twain
John McAfee offers to hack shooter’s iPhone for FBI
“I would eat my shoe on the Neil Cavuto show if we could not break the encryption on the San Bernardino phone, McAfee said. “This is a pure and simple fact.”
http://www.cultofmac.com/413087/john...phone-for-fbi/
also http://arstechnica.com/staff/2016/02...oe-on-live-tv/
I can only assume this is sarcasm, just not translating well via the printed word
What part is hard to understand, they are working in a case trying to get intel and in the future they might have to prosecute someone and if the evidence has been obtain by illegal ways then wouldnt that info not been able to use in court? I get it, they could go and get in, but if they are going to make the information public then they will have to disclose how they uncovered the data.
Two parts:
1. That a government that needed the assistance of the private sector to right a website somehow has the ability to crack Apples encryption.
2. That a government which has been maligned for breaking privacy rules, and spying on personal data would care about breaking a law to gain information, and pull a mea culpa in court and admit to attaining information illegally.
I truly believe they do not have the skills to do this on their own.
What Hombre said
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
Yup.
BKB
After hearing y'all and thinking about this, I kind of look at it like this: much of the roots of my belief in the second amendment comes from what I'd like to think the intent that the founders intended. And that would be the part that says I can be responsible for my own defense, free to choose how, and confident that our government will always respect and protect that freedom. And that might be defense against robbers or it might be defense against the government itself, there's no judgement to be made about it by anyone. Its my own business. The federal government, by the way, handled the arrests and standoff in Oregon with every respect for the second amendment. The 2nd gives me no right to go use those arms to do harm to the public, nor to commit well known, well tested, and documented for years, offenses against the government. Job well done! It could have easily gone otherwise.
I also believe that the 4th amendment says that governments, city, state, and federal, can spy, observe, and eavesdrop on its citizens in many ways to gather information about criminal activity as long as the specific activity and purpose are sanctioned by an appropriate judge. It doesn't say however that I am duty bound in any way to live my live in full view of the government so it can exercize its fourth amendment rights. I believe that is what we commonly refer to as our personal privacy. And where I thnk the commonality of the fourth and second amendments is, is that in both cases the Constitution puts as much faith in its government as it does its people to not be bad actors in exercizing those rights. And in the instances where they are found to be, like in the NSA spying on us, we don't change or re-interpret the Constitution, we change out the bad actors for good ones and fix the process and move on, knowing and believing that the good faith necessary to live with those liberties makes us better off as a society too.
And thats that.
At least as far as I can tell.
So I guess I've gotten off the fence.
BKB
Here's another pretty good article on the subject and the capabilities and motivations of the gubmint
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...o-crack-phones
Good stuff BBP. I wish there was an easy button to remove the bad actors.
If we all threw our problems in a pile, and you saw everyone else's problems-- you'd take yours back.
And the scary part is that once Apple is forced to comply, how long will it be before Congress makes it illegal to own or make a cell phone that can't be decrypted by the government?
BKB
I'd almost feel better if the Congress did enact legislation. To me, that'd be better than some judge perverting the constitution.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Raoul Duke
Then it probably shouldn't bother you if they enact legislation make semi automatic weapons illegal. Its kind of the same thing: reimagining the Constitution that is.
Ouch...Good point Barry.
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